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Old 01-11-2017, 06:33 AM   #221
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Thank you for the good info guys.I understand I should stay away from CRJs & 145 ORD & DFW will offer most flying & 145 LGA will be shortest reserve.
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Keeping in mind that I will start training end of Jan meaning I hit the line in 7-9 weeks after that;
How long can I expect to sit reserve if I chose 145ORD or 145DFW ?
Also if the 145LGA is a shorter reserve ( any guesses on how much will that be ) will I be able to fly more by picking up some flying on my day offs once I can hold line ?
When you get to class they are very likely to offer these three options.
Dfw 175. 10-15 pilots
Ord CRJ. 4-8 pilots
LGA 145. 17-25 pilots

They will have actual numbers on the day of but this is just my guess based on previous classes.

You want the shortest reserve time then the 175 or 145 will get you there. If you are young then you will get the 145. So after you get the 145 lga move up off reserve and hold a line. Then at this point you can stay there indefinitely or move bases. We will have vacancies every 3 months or so(maybe 1-2 if we keep hiring) and at anytime you can put a request to transfer. If you want to avoid reserve in ORD or Dfw then just wait in lga until you see guys junior to you get lines in other bases and then do a base transfer and never go back to reserve.

Guys will delay upgrading so they don't have to sit reserve as a captain. You can do the same with base transfers just delay it so you won't have to sit reserve.
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Old 01-11-2017, 06:58 AM   #222
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Hi all. I need some advice. Allegiant just called and offered me an interview. I'm close to flowing to AA, but I think leaving envoy for Allegiant would be a really smart career decision. Didn't someone else who posts on here all the time say that it was the best decision he ever made? Not sure what to do. It is a really hard decision. I just want to make a smart decision...like that other guy!
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Hi all. I need some advice. Allegiant just called and offered me an interview. I'm close to flowing to AA, but I think leaving envoy for Allegiant would be a really smart career decision. Didn't someone else who posts on here all the time say that it was the best decision he ever made? Not sure what to do. It is a really hard decision. I just want to make a smart decision...like that other guy!
Only if you get the Airbus. Those tail mounted engines on the MD-80 fleet are so 2016.
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Old 01-11-2017, 08:11 AM   #224
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When you get to class they are very likely to offer these three options.
Dfw 175. 10-15 pilots
Ord CRJ. 4-8 pilots
LGA 145. 17-25 pilots

They will have actual numbers on the day of but this is just my guess based on previous classes.

You want the shortest reserve time then the 175 or 145 will get you there. If you are young then you will get the 145. So after you get the 145 lga move up off reserve and hold a line. Then at this point you can stay there indefinitely or move bases. We will have vacancies every 3 months or so(maybe 1-2 if we keep hiring) and at anytime you can put a request to transfer. If you want to avoid reserve in ORD or Dfw then just wait in lga until you see guys junior to you get lines in other bases and then do a base transfer and never go back to reserve.

Guys will delay upgrading so they don't have to sit reserve as a captain. You can do the same with base transfers just delay it so you won't have to sit reserve.
The E75 is not the fastest way to a line. Currently there are nearly 200 first officers whom are on the equipment or in the training pipeline and don't have a next status. Out of those 200, only 10 to 15 percent of those will be able to hold an upgrade between now and mid to late 2018. we have roughly 75% of the aircraft on property with roughly 100 lines. The remainder of the aircraft might carry us to 130 ish lines. Someone getting hired today will not see a line on the E75 until summer 2018 at the earliest. If additional aircraft or bases are added into the mix then things will change, but as long as 40 E75 operate out of DFW the people hired today will not see a line for a while. On the other hand the E45 in NY will see the fastest movement, new hires are being sent there and many will look to bid the E45 elsewhere when able, the top E45 FO can hold upgrade and many bid the FO position to transfer quickly and will likely be awarded an upgrade later today. NY E45 could see 50+ FO transfer or upgrade on paper later today.
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Old 01-11-2017, 08:21 AM   #225
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Hi all. I need some advice. Allegiant just called and offered me an interview. I'm close to flowing to AA, but I think leaving envoy for Allegiant would be a really smart career decision. Didn't someone else who posts on here all the time say that it was the best decision he ever made? Not sure what to do. It is a really hard decision. I just want to make a smart decision...like that other guy!
QOL they do home every night schedules compared to AA. Then again thinking long term AA could improve QOL with new contracts in the future, but never out and backs.

Pay is more at AA especially FO. Unless you could upgrade there on the bus in 5 years or less the pay would not be that bad flying a newish airplane on out and backs. But I think they have mad dawgs still so I hear not so good things about their operation so you would have to do more research and talk to guys who work there. They have more profit sharing than AA it says 10% of pay and that was in 2015. AA needs to step up their game.

I would still go AA all day - you could probably upgrade in a narrowbody in 6 years with all the retirements coming up and hope that the pilots vote in a contract in 3 years that has better work rules.
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QOL they do home every night schedules compared to AA. Then again thinking long term AA could improve QOL with new contracts in the future, but never out and backs.

Pay is more at AA especially FO. Unless you could upgrade there on the bus in 5 years or less the pay would not be that bad flying a newish airplane on out and backs. But I think they have mad dawgs still so I hear not so good things about their operation so you would have to do more research and talk to guys who work there. They have more profit sharing than AA it says 10% of pay and that was in 2015. AA needs to step up their game.

I would still go AA all day - you could probably upgrade in a narrowbody in 6 years with all the retirements coming up and hope that the pilots vote in a contract in 3 years that has better work rules.
I think he's being sarcastic..
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Hi all. I need some advice. Allegiant just called and offered me an interview. I'm close to flowing to AA, but I think leaving envoy for Allegiant would be a really smart career decision. Didn't someone else who posts on here all the time say that it was the best decision he ever made? Not sure what to do. It is a really hard decision. I just want to make a smart decision...like that other guy!
Unless they've vastly improved their MX program I'd stay away just for that reason. Don't they have a statistically high amount of engine failures?

You'd have to pay me an ungodly amount to be on a plane that had a high likelihood to can an engine on a CATII miss...
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Unless they've vastly improved their MX program I'd stay away just for that reason. Don't they have a statistically high amount of engine failures?

You'd have to pay me an ungodly amount to be on a plane that had a high likelihood to can an engine on a CATII miss...
Yea that's the mad dawg. Think they are going to mostly Airbus
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Hi there;
Any insight on current upgrade time at Envoy? Strongly considering it as an option. Thanks!
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Old 01-11-2017, 08:45 AM   #230
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Any insight on current upgrade time at Envoy? Strongly considering it as an option. Thanks!
Current awarded upgrade is a April 2011 hire, he starts training next month. There is a new bid that gets run today with around 100 CA vacancies which should push junior upgrade to late 2011. General trend is upgrade time is decreasing and should continue to do so throughout the year. Might go under three years before 2017 is over if they upgrade as many as they said they would. With that being said, predicting upgrade time at date of hire is more art than science and has a lot of variables.
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