Training Failures
 

As a 1900 driver two decades ago, I am wondering how the new crop of regional aviators are doing passing training on the RJs. With 1500 hours of mostly CFI and little multiengine time, how successful are those pilots in passing all stages of training including IOE. Thanks.

Additional question...

In the last two or three years...How has initial training changed to suit these new hires?

You can either do it or you can't. If you have 1500 hours and 1900 time flying boxes, I'm going to go ahead and say you can do it.

To the other guy, initial training hasn't changed, but with AQP the testing has gotten much more forgiving.

I wouldn't think of CFI time as a negative. From talking to my companies line check guys, and our training department both former and current, 1500 hour CFIs usually do just fine.

For what it's worth (with sample size bias, obviously) the only guys to fail out of my regional new hire class were not CFIs. Every instructor made it through.

I’ll chime in here and say it is all over the board as far as getting through training at a regional, my SIM partner was an Army retire who bought a plane flew the 1500 hours in his plane came to a respectable regional (is there one??) with a good training program and failed his PC check. I was sitting next to him and he flew an above average check ride. I don’t think it was a failure but the 80 year old examiner had a quota according to other instructors.
I’m not a believer in the new flight for requirement but I am a believer in the "quality of the flight hours.” A lot of instrument flight is better than 1500 hours of VFR to a long runway.

just my humble opinion

The only folks we lost or almost lost were older folks with a lot of hours, who struggled to adapt to a new plane/technology/etc. The folks with a fresh 1,500 and a CFI had a learning curve on the jet stuff (V1 cuts, single engine ILS, etc.) but they tended to catch on to the FMS and other tech stuff pretty quickly, which makes a big difference. Just my own observations of a small sample size.

Some trainees may be requiring additional sims or ground training but I haven't heard of a mass failure rate any regional. Companies want people to pass these days and provide the resources to make it happen. Also, instructors aren't so inclined to sign people off that in their opinion aren't ready. So I guess the stats to look at are enrollment to graduation completion numbers and of those that don't complete, what was the reason.

I skipped the CFI route and did survey work, built my hours, then flew single pilot freight for awhile. Now at a regional but the freight was the best experience ever. You don't get that flight instructing.


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Flying a jet just really isn't that hard. 121 training should not be difficult for anyone with good fundamental flying skills/study habits.

Something stinks there. If you know you passed, you raise hell and take it up as far as you need to. A professional pilot knows what the standards are, so the checkrides aren't a mystery or guessing game. There are no "quotas", so something is fishy. If you know you are right and don't take action, then I guess you might lack the required assertiveness that comes along with the job of being an airline pilot.