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Old 01-19-2017, 07:51 AM
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Right now the flow is a good thing, and probably will be for the foreseeable future. But flowups also mean flow backs when times are tough. Just ask those original Eagle guys from the late 90's/2000 how it worked. Similar happened to Mesaba guys?


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I can't speak for all of the contracts, but flowbacks are not really a thing in the contracts anymore. There is nothing wrong with flowbacks if the economy turns.

If your options are furlough with no job, or furlough with a guaranteed job as a senior captain at a regional, I would take the flowback every time. Especially because you would just flow back up later and keep your longevity, just like if you were furloughed.

Which would you rather have?
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Originally Posted by saxman66 View Post
Right now the flow is a good thing, and probably will be for the foreseeable future. But flowups also mean flow backs when times are tough. Just ask those original Eagle guys from the late 90's/2000 how it worked. Similar happened to Mesaba guys?


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There is no flow back clause in PSA's agreement.
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Originally Posted by PSA help View Post
I can't speak for all of the contracts, but flowbacks are not really a thing in the contracts anymore. There is nothing wrong with flowbacks if the economy turns.

If your options are furlough with no job, or furlough with a guaranteed job as a senior captain at a regional, I would take the flowback every time. Especially because you would just flow back up later and keep your longevity, just like if you were furloughed.

Which would you rather have?
Except people that were captains that actually worked at the said regional will be probably be FOs and the FOs at said regional could be furloughed. So you're saying it's better that mainline guys don't get put out of a job but regional guys that actually work for the company should be put on the street.
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Old 01-19-2017, 08:54 AM
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Wait, flow isn't working like you thought it would? Welcome to the airline world of bait and switch. These people taught Bernie Madoff everything he knows, Frank Lorenzo was just a copy-cat.
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Old 01-19-2017, 08:59 AM
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Only American even has flow.
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Old 01-20-2017, 02:49 AM
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Not flow, but UAL has a flight instructor-UAL narrow-body transition program, completely bypassing the regionals. This new program started in August 2016.
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Old 01-20-2017, 03:24 AM
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Flowbacks do not exist anymore. It is not possible. AA could furlough all their pilots and not a one would be able to flowback to Envoy.
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Perhaps airlines have a certain appreciation for pilots who oppose trade unionism and willingly undercut their fellow pilots, all while fiercely believing in your company brand as though it were a cult and adoring management as your personal lord and savior. I don't know, I could be wrong.
Yep, you're wrong, and you also sound like an idiot.
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Old 01-20-2017, 06:01 AM
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Wait, flow isn't working like you thought it would? Welcome to the airline world of bait and switch. These people taught Bernie Madoff everything he knows, Frank Lorenzo was just a copy-cat.
You people are crazy. My flow is progressing exactly as expected. I'll be heading up to AA this year, 6.5 years after I started. As we add more pilots that longevity number will average 5-6 years.
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It's kind of funny but have you noticed those that are complaining about the flow programs are the ones that aren't part of one? That should tell you something.

Today at a regional you want Stability, Low Upgrade Times, Good Pay, Movement for QOL. American WO's offer all 3. If you don't want to go to American you don't have too. However if by chance you get turned down by United and Delta you still have a job for sure at the Worlds Largest Airline.
Yes I can see how someone not part of that Program might be envy.
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