SkyWest bypass flows
01-21-2017, 06:31 AM
#31
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The thing about the flows that ought to be taken into serious question, is that they take far too long. Let us hypothesize that a good LCC or ACMI called before you managed to flow: what then? Would you indeed stay put at your regional waiting for a six-years long flow and pass up on the LCC or ACMI? A flow is nothing further than a metering tool, yet the bait keeps attracting fish.
01-21-2017, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
The thing about the flows that ought to be taken into serious question, is that they take far too long. Let us hypothesize that a good LCC or ACMI called before you managed to flow: what then? Would you indeed stay put at your regional waiting for a six-years long flow and pass up on the LCC or ACMI? A flow is nothing further than a metering tool, yet the bait keeps attracting fish.
Since when is a 6 year flow too long? If I were starting my career, why wouldn't I go to a regional with a flow? If everything being equal (pay, qol, upgrade time etc..)would you go to one without the flow? Honest question.
01-21-2017, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by billyho
It's kind of funny but have you noticed those that are complaining about the flow programs are the ones that aren't part of one? That should tell you something.
Today at a regional you want Stability, Low Upgrade Times, Good Pay, Movement for QOL. American WO's offer all 3. If you don't want to go to American you don't have too. However if by chance you get turned down by United and Delta you still have a job for sure at the Worlds Largest Airline.
Yes I can see how someone not part of that Program might be envy.
Today at a regional you want Stability, Low Upgrade Times, Good Pay, Movement for QOL. American WO's offer all 3. If you don't want to go to American you don't have too. However if by chance you get turned down by United and Delta you still have a job for sure at the Worlds Largest Airline.
Yes I can see how someone not part of that Program might be envy.
To the OP, though I suspect a troll post it shouldn't be surprising that Skywest (or any non-WO) gets in ahead of flow especially united agreements, not because SkyWest is superior or anything but we do have 4000 pilots of which at least half have apps in, they are bound to get in, even had a few go to American lately.
01-21-2017, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
What's kind of funny is the guys relying on flow because they can't get in on their own merits. Well if delta and united won't take me American will have to because of flow...that kind of mentaility breeds incompetence and the "I'll be a professional when I get to mainline" mentality. There's been many instances of mainline taking people because they have to, I have quite a few friends that failed training at Envoy and now are waiting on flow because with 121 fail it's not easy to move on.
To the OP, though I suspect a troll post it shouldn't be surprising that Skywest (or any non-WO) gets in ahead of flow especially united agreements, not because SkyWest is superior or anything but we do have 4000 pilots of which at least half have apps in, they are bound to get in, even had a few go to American lately.
To the OP, though I suspect a troll post it shouldn't be surprising that Skywest (or any non-WO) gets in ahead of flow especially united agreements, not because SkyWest is superior or anything but we do have 4000 pilots of which at least half have apps in, they are bound to get in, even had a few go to American lately.
01-21-2017, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
What's kind of funny is the guys relying on flow because they can't get in on their own merits. Well if delta and united won't take me American will have to because of flow...that kind of mentaility breeds incompetence and the "I'll be a professional when I get to mainline" mentality. There's been many instances of mainline taking people because they have to, I have quite a few friends that failed training at Envoy and now are waiting on flow because with 121 fail it's not easy to move on.
To the OP, though I suspect a troll post it shouldn't be surprising that Skywest (or any non-WO) gets in ahead of flow especially united agreements, not because SkyWest is superior or anything but we do have 4000 pilots of which at least half have apps in, they are bound to get in, even had a few go to American lately.
To the OP, though I suspect a troll post it shouldn't be surprising that Skywest (or any non-WO) gets in ahead of flow especially united agreements, not because SkyWest is superior or anything but we do have 4000 pilots of which at least half have apps in, they are bound to get in, even had a few go to American lately.
If you're a screw up at the WO's you probably won't make it to American Mainline.
Oh well. To each his/her own. For those that are just coming into the industry you couldn't have hit it at a better time. Enjoy the ride.
01-21-2017, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
Selling your legacy as a fall back plan in case others don't call first speaks volumes about those that attempt to sell the flow and the legacy itself. It's no badge of honor.
The flow is just that, a fall back option. If you're not applying elsewhere while you wait for your flow # to come up then you're a fool. Once you get job offers elsewhere you can do the math to see if it's financially beneficial for you go to the ACMI/ULCC/LCC/Major/legacy you just got the offer to. In some cases it'll be worth it to stay, in many it will be worth it leave the flow.
01-21-2017, 01:49 PM
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The people waiting for the flow are not just people with no degree, failed checkrides, DUI's, etc. Using myself as an example, I have a college degree with a high GPA, military background, I'm a LCA and overall I think I have a pretty strong resume. With that said, I'll flow at the end of this year and I am perfectly content on waiting for it because 1) I see more movement at AA that any of the other airlines due to their retirement schedule and the fact that the vast majority of people coming in ahead of me right now are much older than me and will drop off the seniority list long before I do. 2) I am actually enjoying my experience at the regional level. As a CA, I make good money, I fly with really great people, whom are my age, and we have fun doing what we do. No redeyes, no Transcon, no flying across multiple timezones, etc.
Yes, I want to move on and I will move on. The difference is that I look at this career as a journey, not a race... and I will enjoy every minute of it. As a side bonus, I'm not using my off time to fill out resumes and attend job fairs. I'm actually off when I'm off.
Yes, I want to move on and I will move on. The difference is that I look at this career as a journey, not a race... and I will enjoy every minute of it. As a side bonus, I'm not using my off time to fill out resumes and attend job fairs. I'm actually off when I'm off.
01-21-2017, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Subpilot
The people waiting for the flow are not just people with no degree, failed checkrides, DUI's, etc. Using myself as an example, I have a college degree with a high GPA, military background, I'm a LCA and overall I think I have a pretty strong resume. With that said, I'll flow at the end of this year and I am perfectly content on waiting for it because 1) I see more movement at AA that any of the other airlines due to their retirement schedule and the fact that the vast majority of people coming in ahead of me right now are much older than me and will drop off the seniority list long before I do. 2) I am actually enjoying my experience at the regional level. As a CA, I make good money, I fly with really great people, whom are my age, and we have fun doing what we do. No redeyes, no Transcon, no flying across multiple timezones, etc.
Yes, I want to move on and I will move on. The difference is that I look at this career as a journey, not a race... and I will enjoy every minute of it. As a side bonus, I'm not using my off time to fill out resumes and attend job fairs. I'm actually off when I'm off.
Yes, I want to move on and I will move on. The difference is that I look at this career as a journey, not a race... and I will enjoy every minute of it. As a side bonus, I'm not using my off time to fill out resumes and attend job fairs. I'm actually off when I'm off.
01-23-2017, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by billyho
It's kind of funny but have you noticed those that are complaining about the flow programs are the ones that aren't part of one? That should tell you something.
Today at a regional you want Stability, Low Upgrade Times, Good Pay, Movement for QOL. American WO's offer all 3. If you don't want to go to American you don't have too. However if by chance you get turned down by United and Delta you still have a job for sure at the Worlds Largest Airline.
Yes I can see how someone not part of that Program might be envy.
Today at a regional you want Stability, Low Upgrade Times, Good Pay, Movement for QOL. American WO's offer all 3. If you don't want to go to American you don't have too. However if by chance you get turned down by United and Delta you still have a job for sure at the Worlds Largest Airline.
Yes I can see how someone not part of that Program might be envy.
01-23-2017, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Subpilot
The people waiting for the flow are not just people with no degree, failed checkrides, DUI's, etc. Using myself as an example, I have a college degree with a high GPA, military background, I'm a LCA and overall I think I have a pretty strong resume. With that said, I'll flow at the end of this year and I am perfectly content on waiting for it because 1) I see more movement at AA that any of the other airlines due to their retirement schedule and the fact that the vast majority of people coming in ahead of me right now are much older than me and will drop off the seniority list long before I do. 2) I am actually enjoying my experience at the regional level. As a CA, I make good money, I fly with really great people, whom are my age, and we have fun doing what we do. No redeyes, no Transcon, no flying across multiple timezones, etc.
Yes, I want to move on and I will move on. The difference is that I look at this career as a journey, not a race... and I will enjoy every minute of it. As a side bonus, I'm not using my off time to fill out resumes and attend job fairs. I'm actually off when I'm off.
Yes, I want to move on and I will move on. The difference is that I look at this career as a journey, not a race... and I will enjoy every minute of it. As a side bonus, I'm not using my off time to fill out resumes and attend job fairs. I'm actually off when I'm off.
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