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CL65driver 03-01-2007 07:34 AM

ANP, any regional aircraft is going to have weight restrictions. Some more than others. Maybe we've exaggerated the ability of the 145, but the 145XR really is a different beast. As long as your landing structural weight isn't a problem, it will go at max gross- no problem, at least according to the ATOG charts. We've had no problems with a heavy load and headwinds IAH-PSP. Turned out to be 3:32 total flight time. But I don't have a lot of experience with the thing at hot and high airports, so take my post with a grain of salt.

Although, with a creative crew- weight problems can be solved quite easily. A few empty galley carts here, some half weights there. Do a'la CHQ and leave bags, maybe even an FA. :D If fuel's a problem, carve out some of the contingency fuel and cruise a little lower.

ANPBird 03-01-2007 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by CL65driver (Post 126439)
ANP, any regional aircraft is going to have weight restrictions. Some more than others. Maybe we've exaggerated the ability of the 145, but the 145XR really is a different beast. As long as your landing structural weight isn't a problem, it will go at max gross- no problem, at least according to the ATOG charts. We've had no problems with a heavy load and headwinds IAH-PSP. Turned out to be 3:32 total flight time. But I don't have a lot of experience with the thing at hot and high airports, so take my post with a grain of salt.

Although, with a creative crew- weight problems can be solved quite easily. A few empty galley carts here, some half weights there. Do a'la CHQ and leave bags, maybe even an FA. :D If fuel's a problem, carve out some of the contingency fuel and cruise a little lower.

Got ya, Thanks!

MoonShot 03-01-2007 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by groovinaviator (Post 124635)
That is hillarious!!!! :D



Are you kidding me? The ERJ 140's are constantly weight restricted and always departing with a few pax and a jumpseating pilot at the gate... just yesterday a Chataqua 140 had to drop 4 pax (and me) from ORF-STL. Luckily I still managed to get a seat in the back somehow.I was told by an ERJ captain that the airplane has a landing weight issue. In the limited time I have flown the CRJ200 I have never had to leave pax or jumpseater's behind on any flight... even lengthy legs such as PHL-MCI with an alternate and restricted to FL250 due to an inoperative pack.

I won't argue that the 140 isn't weight restricted too often. Generally though, it is for zero fuel weight, not enroute burn to make landing weight.

dojetdriver 03-01-2007 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by CL65driver (Post 126427)
That's pretty interesting. Ours is similar. Only we have to select the mode for the detent.... oh the humanity! :D

Mr. FADEC is a beautiful thing though! :cool:


Well, I'm flying the ERJ now. But believe me, the 328's was just easier to use and more pilot friendly. On a go around you didn't have to pull BACK into the detend and THEN press a button for the proper power setting. In cruise, just pull it back into the cruise detent. No worrying about going through a "weak" detent", seeing T/O Reserve on the EICAS and then pulling it back and pressing another button. Then have some idiot CA **** his pants because of what just happened.

The engine shutdown was a more positive method as well. Lift the trigger and pull the thrust lever back, simple. No worrying about having the TL not at the stop and turning the knob and NOT having the engine shut off.

fire 03-01-2007 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 126914)
. On a go around you didn't have to pull BACK into the detend and THEN press a button for the proper power setting.

uhhh max thrust!!! full foward homie

dojetdriver 03-01-2007 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by fire (Post 126983)
uhhh max thrust!!! full foward homie

Till when? Point I'm getting at is put it in the detent and thats it. PNF doesn't have to do anything, like verify the power is set correctly while trying to help aviate, navigate, or communicate

POPA 03-02-2007 04:07 AM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 126992)
Till when? Point I'm getting at is put it in the detent and thats it. PNF doesn't have to do anything, like verify the power is set correctly while trying to help aviate, navigate, or communicate

Until the thrust levers don't go forward any more.
Seriously man, your training on the ERJ must have been pretty bad if these simple things gave you problems.

LAfrequentflyer 03-02-2007 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by MoonShot (Post 126861)
I won't argue that the 140 isn't weight restricted too often. Generally though, it is for zero fuel weight, not enroute burn to make landing weight.

Nice avatar...I work at NASA.

-LAFF

dojetdriver 03-02-2007 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by POPA (Post 127038)
Until the thrust levers don't go forward any more.
Seriously man, your training on the ERJ must have been pretty bad if these simple things gave you problems.

I think your reading/comprehension skills must be "pretty bad". No ****! All the way till it won't go foward anymore! Thanks!

WHEN do you pull it back, press a button for climb power is what I wrote. Get it now??

Point I'm getting at, the 328's FADEC was easier to manage and required WAY less pilot interface to get what you wanted. I never said it gave me problems. But the more unnecessarily complicated something is (the ERJ's FADEC) the more prone it is to have issues.

CE750 03-02-2007 02:20 PM

So from this thread, we have come to the conclusion then that the ERJ climbs better, but the CRJ cruses better. Which has been my observation. Both are in dyer need of slats, and more power.. the ERJ certainly could use a more critical wing.. both are however, short range, commuter jets and do a fine job at making regional airline Exec rich, while we view the jobs as "Career builders" and accept crap wags to fly them..

Sums it up, I think.. eh?


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