WhatsV1

Sorry to hear about Piedmont. Please keep us posted on the AQP training.

TransWorld

Every regional (and LCC, major, etc) is well aware the shortage is coming. Being aware of a problem and being able to respond adequately and fast enough are two whole different things. Regionals are starting to struggle as the treadmill goes faster and faster.

Further, there are a lot of offers going out for people the regionals would not have otherwise made offers to. They had been making offers just to the super prepared, cream of the crop. No more. Consequently, extra work, extra sims, higher washout rates makes it even more difficult for the schoolhouses.

In time they will make adjustments, but as hiring by the majors increases the next few years and that rate is sustained, trying to hire qualified pilots will be harder and harder.

It will get to a point, my crystal ball says, where regionals will consolidate, a good portion of the 50 seaters will get parked in favor of fewer 76 seaters running some routes, and some previous ‘regional’ flying will be brought in to the majors (likely flying the A220s, etc.) Pay for regionals will continue to ratchet up to a point where it reaches two thirds to three fourths of the majors’ pay-scale for the A320/B737.

I have said this is what my crystal ball says the last couple of years. Earlier there were a lot of neysayers; as time has gone on more and more are coming around to my way of thinking. We are seeing evidence of several of these things happening. Stay tuned, it has only just begun.

WhatsV1

Yeah, I was being sarcastic, hence the ... I agree with what you are saying if I had to give my best guess of the possibilities.

TransWorld

I figured you were being sarcastic. Thanks for allowing me to springboard off your comment to give my perspective. It has been awhile, and with a lot of newbies across the board, thought it was worthwhile to paint the big picture.

Earlier I have been accused of being stupid, foolish, airline management, and even a green naive newbie. None are the case. The last one really made me laugh. If you knew how old I was. My first sim was a 727. The guy who looks over the horizon gets ridiculed, until everyone can see it and things come to pass. . .

WhatsV1

Being ridiculed for saying anything that could happen with this volatile flight environment lacks logic. It's logic that a lot of people can't seem to come by.

BosoxH60

No AQP in this Indoc. 48 new hires. Systems will be split, so one half has two weeks for Ethos, the other half has 3.

21 August Indoc has 58 or 59 coming in, and will be the same.

They said they have a hard limit of 30 in a systems class, so I’d expect a max class size of 60 for Indoc. AQP could raise that? Not sure.

So far VERY happy with my choice. It was kind of funny to hear the training dept apologize for the “delays”...

TheNotoriousPIC

So they say a $60 stipend per day for the first 30 days of training, and then MMG. Does that include the time spent on at-home Ethos training?

njd1

Yes.

Note that they reinforce the idea that you're being paid by warning you that when you go home you need to approach every day as if you were going to the training center. Get up early, have breakfast, start at 8AM, end at 5PM....or if you're like everyone else in my class that has the "deer in the headlights look", work until you have to go to bed in order to get reasonably good sleep -- for me, 8 hours.

My advice: if you have a family, etc. prime the pump now and let them know that while you may be home, you'll be working and should not be disturbed. You will need every bit of the two weeks at home (and then some) to meet the required hours to complete the ethos training course. It's ridiculously easy to get behind. Don't let that happen.

TheWeatherman

Or go to the local library or Starbucks. Staying at home and not being distracted is hard.


I am pretty sure you don't get per diem when you are at home. It used to add $500+ to your paycheck when they had Systems in STL.

TheNotoriousPIC

As I understand it per diem doesn't start until after 30 days of employment, roughly about the time ethos training ends assuming two weeks for indoc and then two weeks for ethos.