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Old 06-16-2019, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotnicco View Post
Lol, that's good. I needed the laugh.

The flow is 100% meterable AND reversible during times of furlough, and there are signs that AAG is already metering the flow to mainline. There is virtually no incentive for AAG to flow pilots. Why pay you more, when they can pay you less and keep you there. If you read the ENY contract, which discusses flow, you can see that the flow reduces to 25% of AA new hire slots meterable to 15%, after the protected pilots, the first 824 pilots on property flow. The flow is a joke, and it's another reason why ENY will just be another Mesa with make-up on. To those who elect to go there in order to personally advance themselves, they keep the bar lowered for the entire industry.

The AA WO pilots get to enjoy at all what they have thanks to the pilots at Republic, Skywest, and Endeavor. if it wasn't for those pilot groups, the starting pay would still be $26/hr.
You have no clue...a lot of the information you posted is not correct
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Old 06-16-2019, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mike sierra View Post
You have no clue...a lot of the information you posted is not correct
Then correct it.
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Old 06-16-2019, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotnicco View Post
Lol, that's good. I needed the laugh.

The flow is 100% meterable AND reversible during times of furlough, and there are signs that AAG is already metering the flow to mainline. There is virtually no incentive for AAG to flow pilots. Why pay you more, when they can pay you less and keep you there. If you read the ENY contract, which discusses flow, you can see that the flow reduces to 25% of AA new hire slots meterable to 15%, after the protected pilots, the first 824 pilots on property flow. The flow is a joke, and it's another reason why ENY will just be another Mesa with make-up on. To those who elect to go there in order to personally advance themselves, they keep the bar lowered for the entire industry.

The AA WO pilots get to enjoy at all what they have thanks to the pilots at Republic, Skywest, and Endeavor. if it wasn't for those pilot groups, the starting pay would still be $26/hr.
Honestly do you even know what you’re talking about? The flow is not “reversible”. Geeze guy, don’t even veil your attempts to be partial.

And as far as the flow being able to be metered, they can withhold pilots from flowing but they have to give them a class by the end of that year. So for instance if AA decided they only wanted 5 pilots /month from each WO they can do that. But contractually they still have to hire them by the end of the year. So it really doesn’t buy them much of anything to do so.
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Old 06-16-2019, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotnicco View Post
Lol, that's good. I needed the laugh.

The flow is 100% meterable AND reversible during times of furlough, and there are signs that AAG is already metering the flow to mainline. There is virtually no incentive for AAG to flow pilots. Why pay you more, when they can pay you less and keep you there. If you read the ENY contract, which discusses flow, you can see that the flow reduces to 25% of AA new hire slots meterable to 15%, after the protected pilots, the first 824 pilots on property flow. The flow is a joke, and it's another reason why ENY will just be another Mesa with make-up on. To those who elect to go there in order to personally advance themselves, they keep the bar lowered for the entire industry.

The AA WO pilots get to enjoy at all what they have thanks to the pilots at Republic, Skywest, and Endeavor. if it wasn't for those pilot groups, the starting pay would still be $26/hr.
That so called metering as you call it was a deal done between AAG and and the protected pilot group from Arbitration. Originally, the pilot group outside of 824 didn’t have the flow until it was later negotiated back into the contract in 2014.

It isn’t really metering now is it if it was already designed to decrease from the get go. There are no signs of the flow being metering at one bit. AA has been taking on the amount of flow guys that need to be taken on since their I g hiring picked up and the only reason why they haven’t flow guys is when they didn’t have a new hire class. (December is usually the month this happens). Also, didn’t be surprised to see PSA flow increase as well down the line, I have a strong feeling it is going to happen, and if that happens (there goes your flow metering theory).

So stop ✋ it with your fake news about signs of AA metering the flow....

To the op, my advice is to just treat the flow at a backup plan in the back pocket while trying to get hired off the street. Treat as you are playing with house money.....
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For anyone pondering the same choice as the OP, both Republic and PSA are seemingly good companies to work for and each has their pros and cons. I honestly wouldn’t say one is better than the other, they’re just different and they each fit different pilot’s needs differently.
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Hello,
Just curious if there is any updated info on these two regionals?

I live just north of Columbus, 40 min to the airport and about 1hr 20 to the Dayton Airport. Both seem pretty comparable from the outside. I believe DAY at PSA is pretty easy to get out of training. Is CMH attainable out of training at Republic?

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Originally Posted by kls81 View Post
Hello,
Just curious if there is any updated info on these two regionals?

I live just north of Columbus, 40 min to the airport and about 1hr 20 to the Dayton Airport. Both seem pretty comparable from the outside. I believe DAY at PSA is pretty easy to get out of training. Is CMH attainable out of training at Republic?

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Not sure how much longer Dayton will be easy to get. PSA announced that Cinco base is closing in March of next year. I’d assume all the cinci lifers will be heading to Dayton.
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Originally Posted by kls81 View Post
Hello,
Just curious if there is any updated info on these two regionals?

I live just north of Columbus, 40 min to the airport and about 1hr 20 to the Dayton Airport. Both seem pretty comparable from the outside. I believe DAY at PSA is pretty easy to get out of training. Is CMH attainable out of training at Republic?

Thanks
You always have a very high chance of getting CMH in training whether you want it or not.
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Old 11-01-2019, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotnicco View Post
Lol, that's good. I needed the laugh.

The flow is 100% meterable AND reversible during times of furlough, and there are signs that AAG is already metering the flow to mainline. There is virtually no incentive for AAG to flow pilots. Why pay you more, when they can pay you less and keep you there. If you read the ENY contract, which discusses flow, you can see that the flow reduces to 25% of AA new hire slots meterable to 15%, after the protected pilots, the first 824 pilots on property flow. The flow is a joke, and it's another reason why ENY will just be another Mesa with make-up on. To those who elect to go there in order to personally advance themselves, they keep the bar lowered for the entire industry. Republic pilots are pretty much guaranteed missing out on the most attrition of ANY airline coming up. That would be AA.

The AA WO pilots get to enjoy at all what they have thanks to the pilots at Republic, Skywest, and Endeavor. if it wasn't for those pilot groups, the starting pay would still be $26/hr.
Pilots at AA regularly fly with WO flow pilots. Regularly. Half or more of each class consists of flow pilots. Rarely does one encounter a Republic pilot. Skywest is pretty much the only way in outside the flow. The flow is definitely not a joke, although it is not as short as advertised.
A Republic pilot has a very slim shot at AA. So you better hope you pass the Hogan for UAL or have F-18 experience for Delta.
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Old 11-01-2019, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilfortina View Post
To my knowledge, if AA decides to stop the flow program, they can just stop the flow program. If they decide it is better for them to not have a flow, they will get rid of it
Have you seen the AA attrition? Going to the 950 plus per year next year and for about 3 solid yrs of that before retirements " fall off" to the mid 800s for more years. There is no way the flow goes away or lets up.
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