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#21
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#22
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I’m not trying to be mean or harsh spirited when I ask this but, what is the problem the OP is referring to on this thread?
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#23
There is more too it than that. Atlas was able to convince a judge that any change in the pattern of pilot activity, including simply more rigorously adhering to the current CBA, was illegal under the RLA if it occurred during the period of negotiations because it broke the status quo required during negotiations and mediation.
Effectively it said if you didn’t ALWAYS require the company to adhere to your contract (or grieve it), you really established a new and lower baseline. It was sort of like letting the public use your property for their travel which over time in most states effectively establishes a public right of way.
So it isn’t even that you train people, it’s that if you don’t make an effort to enforce the terms of your CBA you effectively cede back to the company the very issues you bargained to get.
I think that’s a lousy precedent but the precedent has been set. Hence the ‘no waivers, no favors,’ policy that many pilots adhere to. It isn’t that they don’t want their company to be successful or to help them out in a jam, it’s that anything you do once as a favor can become the new norm.
Effectively it said if you didn’t ALWAYS require the company to adhere to your contract (or grieve it), you really established a new and lower baseline. It was sort of like letting the public use your property for their travel which over time in most states effectively establishes a public right of way.
So it isn’t even that you train people, it’s that if you don’t make an effort to enforce the terms of your CBA you effectively cede back to the company the very issues you bargained to get.
I think that’s a lousy precedent but the precedent has been set. Hence the ‘no waivers, no favors,’ policy that many pilots adhere to. It isn’t that they don’t want their company to be successful or to help them out in a jam, it’s that anything you do once as a favor can become the new norm.
#24
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For the March Pairings, the company (I believe at the advice of Jeppessen) adjusted (significantly lowered) the penalty towards having long layovers. This was done because it was deemed to be more cost effective and they wanted more pilots to be used. However, by doing this, it caused nearly 900 pairings to be created that had at least one layover with 25hours or more.
The union was against this change. Eventually they were able to get the number down to about 260ish pairings at which point the company said this was going to happen with no further discussions.
Part of the reason for being against it is the pilots have a min day guarantee, but the Flight attendants do not so this was going to significantly impact them. The other argument is that with overnights 26hrs or longer, each pilot is able to receive a rental car for the overnight. So the extra contractual benefits we have was not accounted for in the total cost benefit of having the longer overnights.
Either way, there is nothing in our contract from preventing the company from doing this.
But this is what happens when a contract is passed by 30 measly votes.
#25
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I bet your Facebook profile is a picture of the word “NO” surrounded by the Republic stars isn’t it?
There was nothing in any of the previous contracts preventing this either. Let me know what other airlines have language that would’ve prohibited this.
There was nothing in any of the previous contracts preventing this either. Let me know what other airlines have language that would’ve prohibited this.
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The alternative solution is for management to use the big “F” word and force you to stay home, scrambling for a new job. Which at that point, you probably would have wished you just stayed in Omaha the extra 10 hours.
If you want a contract passed that constrains every little move management would be allowed to make, the company eventually is not sustainable and they close shop. Then nobody wins and we’re all drowning.
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#30
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It's quite known on the FB page who I am.
Never said there was any language, but there should be language for any item that operates under a status quo like the pairings do/did. The LOA that was voted in, are happy enough with it to live under that LOA for 4-5 years? Because that is what is likely going to happen. We have no leverage whatsoever currently against the company. They gave us more money than the Union was even asking for. We have classes filled a year out, they are going to be in no hurry to get a LOA, let alone a full contract signed.
And for the record, I'm okay with the long overnights. If they are willing to pay me 6 hours to go lay on a beach, hike, kayak, bike, whatever else I can think up to do in that time, let them!
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