Compass rumor again?
03-23-2019, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sqwkvfr
The only reason that it wasn’t implemented is that Bedford made good on his promise to sell Frontier if it could not be operated separately. Some of the junior pilots did have a reason to carp, but overall that list was a huge win for IBT and a massive defeat for FAPA. To claim that ALPA would clean IBT’s clock in an SLI process is specious at best.
03-23-2019, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Viking6
True, but it’s not 2011. I Don’t think an acquisition is necessarily a good thing either. Any SLI would go to arbitration, which will make many unhappy. Many junior pilots at YX seem to think it would reduce their upgrade or increase their seniority, and that’s definitely not the case. Ideally you maintain your same relative seniority.
03-24-2019, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by FollowMe
That and career expectations. To use an extreme example if a carrier with 18 year upgrades and a carrier with 2 year upgrades were in SLI, the MEC representing the 2 year upgrade group would push to keep their career expectation intact, i.e. move them up the list. The compromise would fall somewhere in the middle, which only furthers your point as junior FO/CA at the larger carrier may actually move backwards in relative seniority.
03-24-2019, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Viking6
That’s true, but probably wouldn’t have much of a impact with a Compass / Republic SLI. Compass has a slightly longer upgrade, and maybe a slightly senior pilot group. I’m certain you would see a fence for the left seat though, which would not result in any additional growth for YX FOs. I would imagine the upgrade at both places would remain similar to current upgrade. Integration would take years to implement anyways, because ALPA has very deep pockets. It would be guaranteed to go to arbitration, which is kinda like playing slots in Vegas.
Lol compass has a longer upgrade than republic? Yeah no we are at 1 yr 5 months hire date to upgrade class.
03-24-2019, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by MuPpET
Lol compass has a more senior pilot group than republic? Yeah no
Lol compass has a longer upgrade than republic? Yeah no we are at 1 yr 5 months hire date to upgrade class.
Lol compass has a longer upgrade than republic? Yeah no we are at 1 yr 5 months hire date to upgrade class.
I seriously doubt republic acquires anyone. Why would they be hiring so many pilots? We’re still very over staffed, and that will continue through this year.
03-24-2019, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Viking6
I seriously doubt republic acquires anyone. Why would they be hiring so many pilots? We’re still very over staffed, and that will continue through this year.
03-24-2019, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Meow1215
There is very little benefit in acquiring anyone, especially an airline that doesn’t own any other their assets. TSH is are paper airlines - they only have human capital for sale. It would much cleaner and cheaper to hire and train them without a merger.
03-24-2019, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Meow1215
There is very little benefit in acquiring anyone, especially an airline that doesn’t own any other their assets. TSH is are paper airlines - they only have human capital for sale. It would much cleaner and cheaper to hire and train them without a merger.
https://www.gecapital.com/gecas
What matters is the CODESHARE which the codeshare major can pretty much move to whomever it wants to get the flying. That's the important issue. If the big three direct their codeshare somewhere else, all those company owned aircraft have to be either sold or parked while they continue to depreciate. Actual ownership is not necessarily any benefit at all.
03-24-2019, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Big misconception. Indeed, Compass doesn't own their aircraft, but that's fairly common. Delta doesn't own the B-717s it flies. And a lot of airlines have no aircraft of their own, Virgin America's airbuses were all leased. For that matter, I think GE Capital owns more aircraft than any actual airline in the world with over 1900 aircraft:
https://www.gecapital.com/gecas
What matters is the CODESHARE which the codeshare major can pretty much move to whomever it wants to get the flying. That's the important issue. If the big three direct their codeshare somewhere else, all those company owned aircraft have to be either sold or parked while they continue to depreciate. Actual ownership is not necessarily any benefit at all.
https://www.gecapital.com/gecas
What matters is the CODESHARE which the codeshare major can pretty much move to whomever it wants to get the flying. That's the important issue. If the big three direct their codeshare somewhere else, all those company owned aircraft have to be either sold or parked while they continue to depreciate. Actual ownership is not necessarily any benefit at all.
In Compass' case if DL wanted to move their flying they only need someone with a certificate and trained pilots, like YX. If Compass owned those AC, DL would not only need an alternate carrier with staffing, but also would need to source additional frames.
For a contractor owning your lift can be a good safety net, and even if the flying is still pulled you can simply paint it and keep flying for another (see ZW going UA to AA back to UA, or EV CRJs going DL to UA to AA, etc.).
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