FollowMe

Wrong on all accounts. RAH management pushed the offer to the pilots BEFORE the TA, this was not IBT pulling off some huge win it was them accepting what the company had already decided it was going to offer. And it wasn’t the first contract cycle in the history of regional airlines, there were other CBAs that got raises before RAH. The one that actually changed the game (the one you are STILL behind in rates) was Endeavor. When a current pilot group goes into negotiations they start their negotiation at Endeavor rates, not at RAH rates.

stabapch

Do you work for YX because wtf are you talking about?

Do you work for EDV? I don’t want to turn this into an EDV vs RAH ****ing match, but I will if I have to.

Viking6

Wow what a short memory some have! I guess you weren’t here for Yammer and the unethical way management and some in IBT pushed through the 2015 TA. You should research what happened before you post company propaganda. Oh and the 2013 fiasco was even worse. The reason RAH has a good contract now, is because there is a pilot shortage at regionals. If the economy takes a down turn, then you will see how they really treat employees.

Also buying another airline could b a very bad thing for our junior CA/FOs. I don’t think the company would be increasing staffing, if we were buying anyone.

TheWeatherman

Whether that is true or not, the reason a contract was passed has nothing to do with what contract sparked the latest round of increased pay rates. That was Republic that started it off, then Endeavor went well above it because they panicked and are now paying the price for it (Reserve for years, looking for voluntary LOAs). Other Regionals are only getting to Republic's rates, but still not their work rules.

gojo

Oh I don’t know about paying the price for giving us a good contract? It could be working out exactly how they wanted it to with smoke and mirrors and the regional whipsaw game. And it’s Delta that agreed to the contract, not Endeavor, and they’re not careless with their money.

stabapch

Once upon a time there was a Delta wholly owned regional named Comair....

That says a lot about how much Delta cares about their regionals and their carelessness with their money. The history alone should force an intelligent person to stay far far away from Endeavor.

gojo

Oh do tell mr fortune teller. Once again you just take a tiny bit of history and run with it. Are you familiar with all the facts regarding the relationship of Comair and Delta? Delta also owned Compass, Mesaba, and ASA. Skywest killed ASA, however Compass is still around as is Mesaba with a different name.

stabapch

I can assure you I don’t need any lessons on the union ethics of the IBT. But, you’re missing the point of this conversation.

No matter how you think the CBA came about, RAH’s contract was passed with an independent union, while carriers under ALPA were forced to follow suit and still aren’t matching the IBT CBA or even OO’s pay/rules with no union. The point: IBT > ALPA in the REGIONAL industry.

Management didn’t have to provide all the positives in the CBA to fix the “pilot shortage.” A simple increase in pay and a bonus would have solved the problem. We’re witnessing it today with people still flocking to carriers with low end work rules. Without the IBT, our current CBA wouldn’t exist in its entirety.

To your comment about seeing how management really treats their employees, welcome to the regional airline industry. The second class treatment in the past was not unique to RAH.

I don’t believe RAH is buying anyone. However, usually when rumors start to hit the line consistently, things happen and that’s why I asked. The company is increasing staffing because we have a 100 EJet order in anticipation of something behind the curtain and the last thing RAH wants is to not be able to man their flying again.

stabapch

Mainline destroying their own regional is a “tiny bit of history?” Endeavor is basically Comair with a different name. EDV’s pilot group is pushing for more and more from Delta just like Comair’s did.... Lesson should have been learned.

I need more than just $5/hr pay over the next guy to accept that risk. I got three lives at YX.

KelvinHelmholtz

You obviously have zero understanding of the relationship that the Comair pilot group had with both Delta pilots and Delta management. Additionally 2012 is not 2019. Management philosophy has changed and the cheapest option is no longer the one that will be given contracts as was the case when GoJet took over a good portion of the Comair flying.