First Officer BASE DROPS- Initial and Monthly
 

I'll try and keep this updated every month so the question doesn't always get asked in the other threads... only doing FO's since Captain upgrades are years away and anyone in that position is already doing this themselves.

If you do not get the base you wanted in training, you have the opportunity to bid every month for a new base. The monthly base bid at Republic is done four months in advance of when the pilot will move to said awarded base. This Month's bid (May, 2017) was for awards in September, 2017... It is possible you could be asked to move there prior to your awarded month.

I'm going to post both metrics, the Date of Hire for last person that is physically in the base and the Date of Hire for those who have been awarded the base. This will give an idea for the trend of how the bases are being awarded.

I will post May's info momentarily in a new reply.

May, 2017 Base info.

Currently in Base/New Hire Placement:

Base----- DOH
CMH--- New Hire, 4/18/2017
DCA--- New Hire, 4/18/2017
EWR-- New Hire, 4/18/2017
IND--- 9/27/2016, *************4/04/2017 see below
LGA--- New Hire, 4/18/2017
MCI--- 12/08/2016
MIA--- 5/11/2016
ORD-- 10/04/2017
PHL--- 1/31/2017
PIT---- 11/29/2016

*One new hire managed to get IND as there was not enough people to backfill upgrades, but this is not the norm.

Newly Awarded Bases Via Monthly Bid For September 2017

Base-----DOH
CMH--- Anyone who bids it
DCA--- Anyone who bids it
EWR-- Anyone who bids it
IND--- 4/18/2017
LGA--- Anyone who bids it
MCI--- 4/18/2017
MIA--- 4/04/2017
ORD-- 3/21/2017
PHL--- 4/18/2017
PIT---- 3/21/2017


4/18/2017 is the last class included on the May seniority list. The second half of April and First half of May will be included on June's update.

Thank you very much for this info! Really appreciate it!!

Should the first ord date be 2016? I'm trying to choose between skywest and republic, but I have been told Chicago is taking 6 months or more at republic. Accurate? Thanks, guys.

You'll get ORD with no problem at SkyWest

Someone hired in October 2017 already got ORD? Impressive.....

Can you also post drops for captain awards?

Yes, 2016.

MIA as new hire?
 

Just moved to KFLL and thinking about Republic in KMIA - 25 mile drive that probablly would take an hour. ;)

How likely or un?

BTW when was the last CA upgrade? On APC is showes 2013. I thought one of the reasons for the BR was lack of pilots, and I'm sure combined with low pay.

Thanks in advance.

I'm on pace for a 2.5 year upgrade. Your results may vary. Someone upgrading now has waited around 4 years.

I decided to include the last month in this post so you can see the change from the previous month to the current month.

June, 2017 Base info.

Currently in Base/New Hire Placement:

Base----- DOH
CMH--- 5/1/2017
DCA--- 5/1/2017
EWR-- New Hire, 5/15/2017
IND--- 9/27/2016, *************4/04/2017 see below
LGA--- New Hire, 5/15/2017
MCI--- 12/08/2016
MIA--- 10/18/2016
ORD-- 1/31/2017
PHL--- 5/1/2017
PIT---- 11/29/2016

*One new hire managed to get IND as there was not enough people to backfill upgrades, but this is not the norm.

Newly Awarded Bases Via Monthly Bid For October, 2017

Base-----DOH
CMH--- 11/29/2016
DCA--- 6/16/2015
EWR-- 5/15/2017, Anyone who bids it
IND--- 5/15/2017
LGA--- 1/31/2017, Anyone who bids it
MCI--- 8/2/2016
MIA--- 6/30/2015
ORD-- 3/21/2017
PHL--- 11/09/2016
PIT---- 4/18/2017


5/15/2017 is the last class included on the May seniority list. The second half of May and first half of June will be included on July's update.

Did nobody bid for DCA in that 5/15 class or is it trending maybe a little more senior? I go to class August 7th and am really hoping for DCA

No DCA awards from indoc since the 5/1 class. One person received DCA as a monthly bid for October and that was a backfill for an awarded captain upgrade.

You don't bid for bases in indoc per se. You rank them all from most wanted to least wanted and the company assigns bases to the new hires based off of their seniority in their class and what bases the company needs pilot's in. If the company needs 30 pilots in LGA, 30 pilot's will be assigned LGA...

With all the remaining planes coming on property this year being United and without looking into it too deeply, its not an unrealistic bet that United bases will see the majority of new hires going forward.

Is the October award for MCI really helpful? I'm 01/17 and got it in July, so that seems off. I know a senior guy bid into the base but that's not really representative of how quickly one can hold it.

I'm not trying to be a turd but I lack tact after this many B-BAB's.


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Nevermind, I see that the upper list isn't just newhires. Du'oh. I'm gonna go back in my hole now.


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That's fair!:D

Thank you for posting those updates.
This is super helpful

July's info at the bottom.

I have added the number of awards for each base starting with July's base award and will continue it going forward. This will indirectly help with determining how seniority is changing within the base and the overall flow into the base.

July, 2017 Base info.

Currently in Base/New Hire Placement:

Base----- DOH
CMH--- New Hire, 6/20/2017
DCA--- 5/1/2017
EWR-- New Hire, 6/20/2017
IND--- 3/21/2017, ************New Hire, 6/20/2017, See Below
LGA--- New Hire, 6/20/2017
MCI--- 1/17/2017
MIA--- 1/17/2017
ORD-- 3/21/2017
PHL--- 5/1/2017************New Hire, 5/31/2017, See Below
PIT---- 1/03/2017************New Hire, 6/20/2017, See Below

* These bases normally are more senior, however they sporadically have been getting new hire placements.
IND: 4 in 5/31 class and 2 in 6/20 class
PHL: 2 in 5/31 class
PIT: 3 in 6/20 class



Newly Awarded Bases Via Monthly Bid For November, 2017

Base-----DOH
CMH--2-- 11/29/2016
DCA--5-- 5/1/2017
EWR--4-- 1/26/2016
IND--3-- 6/20/2017
LGA--2-- 8/18/2015
MCI--1-- 9/30/2013
MIA--0-- 6/30/2015
ORD-2-- 4/18/2017
PHL--2-- 4/18/2017
PIT---2-- 3/21/2017


6/20/2017 is the last class included on the July seniority list. The second half of June and first half of July will be included in August's update.

So if I were a new hire starting class soon, how would I read this if I wanted ORD? Would I be able to get it right away since by the time I am done with IOE, 3 or 4 months would have passed and my seniority would allow it?

The top chart tells you the DOH of the most Junior FO that is physically in that base at the start of the given month. It also shows what bases are being hired directly into while in Indoc.

The Bottom chart shows the relative seniority of someone awarded a base via our monthly base bids, which are awarded 4 months in advance of your actual move into the awarded base. This Bottom chart can be skewed though, as there may only have been one person awarded into the base and they may have been a more senior FO. This is why I have added the number of awards for each base per month as of July's chart. If you are consistently seeing 2-4 awards per month and they are all senior DOH's that's likely the actual trend.

So you have to look at both charts to see how the overall timeframe looks for that month and then compare It to the previous month's timeframe to see if the base is holding a relatively stable trend or not. In a single month, if both charts would show the same length of time from DOH, then that base would be considered to have a very stable time frame of getting into.

*May's most Junior FO was 7 Months from DOH, and an awardee of 5.5 months from DOH

*June's most Junior FO was 4 Months from DOH and an awardee of 6.5 Months from DOH

*July's most Junior FO was 3.5 Months from DOH and awardee of 6.5 Months from DOH

So as of July 1st, the most Junior FO physically in the base has been at the company for ~3.5 months. For the base awards posted in July, which were for the Month of November, the most Junior awarded was a 4/18/2017 hire, meaning that person will have been at the company ~6.5 months before they move into their new base. So realistically, you are looking at 4-7 months from your date of hire before you physically will be in the base based off of July's charts. This also matches the overall trend of the May-June-July time frame.

Because of the number of bases we have, the fact that we are not base locked, and the fact that our flying can slightly change on a month to month basis out of each base, it's just about impossible to calculate a precise trend for our bases. At the beginning of the year everyone was getting LGA, EWR and DCA. PIT is where I live and was my base of choice, in the last few months of 2016, it had gone super senior, and I calculated it was going to take me 9-10 months from date of hire to get based there. I have it starting in September which will put me at 8.5 months from DOH to when I'm physically in it. However, it has since gone junior again and is on the verge of me classifying it as a new hire base because of the amount of new hire placements there in the last two months...

The new seniority lists have come out so I will be posting August's update tomorrow when I get home.

Overall though, I don't think there is a single base that has a wait time of over a year to get into due to the upgrades and attrition we are experiencing.

Thanks for the clarification Tpinks!

Currently in the 8/7 class. Nearly all of us were awarded LGA with 1 PIT maybe 1 or 2 CMH/IND.

How many are in class?

16 in class. They basically told us as we were bidding that only PIT, CMH, LGA, and IND had slots.

August's info at the Bottom



August, 2017 Base info.

Currently in Base/New Hire Placement:

Base----- DOH
CMH--- New Hire, 7/19/2017
DCA--- 5/1/2017
EWR-- 6/20/2017
IND--- 4/4/2017, ************New Hire, 7/6/2017, See Below
LGA--- New Hire, 7/19/2017
MCI--- 1/17/2017
MIA--- 1/17/2017
ORD-- 3/21/2017
PHL--- 5/1/2017************New Hire, 5/31/2017, See Below
PIT---- 1/03/2017************New Hire, 7/19/2017, See Below

* These bases normally are more senior, however they sporadically have been getting new hire placements.
IND: 4 in 5/31 class, 2 in 6/20 class, 3 in 7/6 class
PHL: 2 in 5/31 class
PIT: 3 in 6/20 class, 2 in 7/6 class, 3 in 7/19 class



Newly Awarded Bases Via Monthly Bid For December, 2017

Base--#awarded ---DOH
CMH--- 4 --- 6/20/2017
DCA--- 10 -- 5/31/2017
EWR--- 9 --- 7/19/2017
IND---- 4 --- 7/19/2017
LGA---- 2 --- 5/31/2017
MCI---- 4 --- 7/06/2017
MIA---- 4 --- 3/1/2016
ORD--- 2 --- 4/18/2017
PHL---- 1 --- 5/31/2017
PIT---- 0 ---- 3/21/2017


7/19/2017 is the last class included on the August seniority list. The second half of July's and first half of August's classes will be included in September's update.

I know a class started on the 22nd.

Do we know what those class drops are yet? What does the Sept Bid look like or is that out yet?

Interesting - when I interviewed one of my referrals said 3.5 year awarded, 4.0 to training. Just sayin.

Nope, September lists don't come out until the first week of the month.

Scuttlebutt is that all 16-18 in the 8/22 class went to CMH.

I haven't spoken with anyone specifically form that class, yet that is the second hand word I received. I suppose we will know in a few days when the bid posts later in the week?

In the mean time a new class starts on 9/5/17. We will see. It appears that there are 17/8 in that class.

All last class awarded CMH. They have more training and OE to do. By the time they finish OE they may be at other bases.

It is a fluid situation.

We do base bids tomorrow with likely knowing by EOD which base we are assigned initially.

Keep in mind that when bidding for a new base you're bidding 4 months out. I.e. the bid that closed today is for January awards. Someone in training now awarded the base they want for January will still be in the base they don't want for a few months.

Any projections for ORD seeing quicker captain upgrades or lower reserve times for FOs in the future?

Doesn't seem likely as the flying in that base has been lessening rather than increasing over the last couple of years. I would guess if there is improvement in the wait times at ORD it will be because of general movement and attrition rather than something at that base. Who knows, though; we had 12 FO vacancies there for January which hasn't happened in forever!

The 9/5 class is still waiting to learn where our initial or training base will be.

Just got bases for 9/5 class
7 ORD
9 CMH

No one got LGA or EWR even for the one in our class who lives there and that is all he placed in his dream sheet.

And so begins our lives at the whim of Crew Support. :D

triandfly, thanks for the update. Really crossing my fingers for NYC, but I guess it doesn't look good. I'm starting Oct 12, so maybe Columbus and DC will fill up before then.

Anyone know what kind of time frame it takes to end up at your preferred base with a standing bid in (besides MIA)?

I spoke to one of the new Captains from the upgrade class today about this. He said it is hard to tell, as there is so much movement. Basically base sids as I understand it is for a 4 month period.

I recall someone said that many in the class ahaead of our is already transferring to other bases.

TriandFly has a friend in that class. TriandFly please fill this in.

Demand can change a lot. When I interviewed in April everyone was going to DC. Now DC hasn't been awarded since May and everyone was going to New York. Now the last 2 classes have been sent to CMH and ORD (traditionally one of the more senior bases). We had one guy transfer to MCI (one of if not the most senior base). We had 3 guys in class go to IND right away - another "super senior" base.

Point being things change. Just because a base is available now doesn't mean it will be hurting for people when it comes time for you to bid. The company staffs based on their needs.