Using Sim time towards ATP minimums
 

Hey guys, I'm apart of the RJet cadet program currently around 900tt. The HR person I've been in contact with says Republic can count up to 100 hours of level D simulator time towards your total for your ATP mins. Looking in the regs, it can only be used if it is apart of an approved training course. I have also heard they can take you 50 hours prior to your minimums because you get that with your training. My question is... can I use my current sim time in addition to (if this is even correct) the 50 hours they give you?

I maybe wrong, but I was told they prefer the full 1000 or 1500hrs or be as close as 15hrs toward these depending on which you qualify for. The ATP and sim time might get you up to the required minimum. My recruiter told me some (a very vague answer) level D can be used. Not sure how much. I have a jet type and they would not even consider my level D sim time.

My point of contact said they want you at 1494 if you’re a 1500 hour candidate. FWIW.


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So, was your current sim part of an approved training course?

As pointed out above, what the regs allow and what an airline does can be two different things.

No, you cannot.

In short, if you need to count towards your total time, you can only use 25 hours of the sim time in your initial airline training.

You can get hired with 1475 hrs and use 25 hours from your sim/training to count towards your total time.

You would receive an ATP certificate with a pilot-in-command limitation on your type rating because you technically don't have 1500 hours.

I thought Republic had a program where they paid for your last 100 hours though if you committed to them?

I have about 23 hours of level D sim time that would be considered apart of an aporoved training course. I appreciate all the replys!

They do, but I've been told that comes out of your bonus.

To go along with this, I have my 75 hours of sim instrument time IF i count 15 hours of FTD time I did for my 141 commercial pilot course. Does RPA allow us to count some FTD time towards the 75 hours sim instrument?

Gonna go with a hard no on this. FTD time counts for effectively nothing.

You can use up to 100 hours of level D sim towards TT as long as it's part of an approved 121/125/135/142 training course. If you're flying a level d sim in these courses, you will be well aware of it.

Redbird FMX/Part 135
 

§ 61.159 Aeronautical experience: Airplane category rating.
(a) [...]
(6) Not more than 100 hours of the total aeronautical experience requirements of paragraph (a) of this section or § 61.160 may be obtained in a full flight simulator or flight training device provided the device represents an airplane and the aeronautical experience was accomplished as part of an approved training course in parts 121, 135, 141, or 142 of this chapter.

Do you think that sim time in a Redbird FMX during an approved Part 135 training course counts towards mins?

The FAA has approved it as an Advanced Aviation Training Device.

Right from Redbird's website. That time will not count for the 100 hours.

Unless you were in an AATD or higher as apart of like a 141 program, you can't count the sim hours. We've been told when reviewing log books that yall can only get the benefit of the 6 hours of sim at CTP, but that's it. Keep in mind you can only substitute 25 hours towards certain experiences anyways.

**Update** Received some clarification on using the sim time

ATP-CTP curriculum for Sim time calls for, "10 hours of simulator training – intended to prepare the applicant to operate safely in those operations which require an ATP. Of the 10 hours of simulator training, six (6) hours must be completed in a Level C or higher full flight simulator"

ATP Part 61: Will need at least 40-44 hours ME (10hrs@L3 CTP/12hrs@RPA CTP)

R-ATP Part 141: They (FAA too I think) feels that adequate and quality training has occurred therefore they are ok with 141 hires of 25 ME and allowing the completion of 25ME time in the sims.

This is totally incorrect. Level 4 and up FTD time can be credited towards ATP TT minimums provided that FTD time was obtained while enrolled in a course approved under 135, 121, or 142. To that point, the FAA requires you to record the FAA ID # of the FTD in your logbook.

This is correct, BUT the Indy FSDO and Republic flight training center doesn’t accept anything under a level 6 to count towards your total time.

So what’s the deal. If I do the cadet program and lets say I only have 25ME, doing the FTI, will republic just put me in the level D sim for 25 more hours ME?

The sim is around $1k/hr. You run out of your bonus money before you hit 25 hours in the sim.

FTI means they will pay for up to 100 hours for any requirements you need.

Let’s say you have 25 hours of multi time already, you will get 25 MORE multi time in the training sims for the 170/175. That does not come out of your bonus and is not apart of FTI.

Let’s say you needed 10 hours to get to 25 total multi timehours, then you will find a flight school and Republic will pay up front for the hours required and take it out of the back end of your bonus.

Just a heads up, you can only get 6 hours credited via Sims without an r-ATP from a certified school. You will need 44 before starting the CTP class, 6 in the CTP class will count to get to 50. This differs from a lot of other regionals but these are the requirements for Republic.

They said this is subject to change, but that's how it is implemented at the moment.

I was told in the interview that it’s republics policy to not use any sim time during training towards your atp, so that you can take the oral right after systems. So if you come in with some sim time (ctp) that’ll count.

That’s not their decision to make. Federal law is exactly that, Federal law.

Then Republic is gonna get killed in the recruiting race, because making a new hire pay for flight time (especially ME flight time) they can legally credit for in the sim is an for the new hire that no other regional is requiring. But Republic also thinks it’s a good idea to get in the 141 flight school business. Good luck with that.

Republic ain't getting killed in the recruiting race.

They require 44 hours multi (unless coming from 141, then 25 is sufficient). Still seems like they get plenty of people through the doors. That's what a great contract does to you.