You heard wrong. Dont believe your regional rumors. They are wrong 99% of the time.

It’s possible for any airline to get that approved, but Envoy still hasn’t. The FAA doesn’t discriminate. Do you understand how that works? No worries I’ll fill ya in.

Any type of “enhancements” on a certificate holder’s ops specs generally requires a VERY large fee. In this case a fee that AA would have to foot for Envoy to replace Republic, who they have already flying the same routes. I don’t have the details of the contract that Republic has AA sign (nor does any other line pilot) but I’d be willing to bet that the cost AA pays them to fly these EOW routes is FAR less than what it would take to get Envoy upgraded.

That’s the cost though, but we still need the FAA approval. The FAA will ask Envoy why do you need EOW approval when YX is already flying routes for AA. Envoy will be expected to prove to the FAA that they need EOW in order to further themselves. Because of this the FAA will deny Envoy because this is a privilege that they don’t give to any regional without a unique reason of why they need the privilege. AA already assigned YX those routes.

Heard it from an Envoy pilot. If you have different information in the contrary other then “no that’s wrong cause I’m an envoy shrill” please feel free to pass it on and contribute to the discussion.

Lol, you must know it all. You also must be Miami based and are ****ting bricks cause you’re worried. Would AAG really spend money on EOW 175’s for Envoy not to fly EOW routes? Get your head out of your ass.

I’m actually based in CMH if that’s relevant. What’s the cost difference between a “EOW 175” vs a “non-EOW 175?” The minuscule cost of some survival equipment. What’s the cost of an EOW ops specs upgrade? HUGE.

I don’t know jack sh*t about Envoy and whether they’re getting “EOW 175’s” or not, but I do know that them getting EOW approval with the FAA on the basis of operating identical routes as YX for AA is slim to none. Would you like my background?

In regards to your “****ing bricks” comments, no YX pilot should have any worries about the near future of this company I promise ya that.

The cost for one airframe is more than the FAA approval process. Plus the continuous cost of higher BOW, meaning higher fuel burn. And no, FAA does not care two sh*ts if some other regional is operating the routes. You just made that up. FAA does NOT regulate who gets to fly EOW. It's not 1970 anymore.

That's an even worse source, just FYI.
Envoy pilots have NO idea what is going on behind the scenes.
You really think we are taking substantially heavier airframes because it's fun? No, there's a plan. Only that no-one in the know posts about that in public.

Wow. I don't even know where to start.
AA "assigns" (stupid word) routes monthly. Their route planning looks at the routes, decides what gauge they need to fly them, and then spreads them out between providers.
Envoy will say "we would like to compete with YX for EOW flying" and that's all FAA needs. The process is trivial, and not that expensive.
You think YX has some sort of monopoly for routes, guess what, they don't. Not a single regional does. That's why flying gets shifted around every month. This month we are taking RAH flying and RAH takes ENY flying, next month it will flip.
The fact that they are accepting heavier airframes means they have a plan. Not a single soul here knows what that plan is.
I'm not going to yell "WE ARE TAKING OVER RAH IN MIA", that's just stupid. I'm guessing it could be more direct routes from DFW to EYW, or perhaps a few new Central America flights. Or whatever, who knows. It's not RAH vs ENY. It's that ENY can easily get EOW, not a big deal.

The FAA regulates (approves) which air carriers are authorized to fly EOW routes. Any type of “upgrade” in an air carriers ops specs requires a hefty fee PLUS an additional process that generally requires the air carrier to prove the additional certification is relevant to them at the time. That being said, if AA has some new destinations then Envoy may get approval, but trust me it still ain’t that simple due to the fact AA already has YX doing that flying. You have no clue on what it takes to upgrade ops specs do you? I’ll tell you I have just about 3 years of long and boring experience working aside the FAA with one of my tasks overseeing a specific airlines operation specifications and getting to know the ins and outs of all the processes at the same time.

Do you honestly believe AA wouldn’t spend that money in a heartbeat and that they cannot come up with a good enough excuse? Come on, 6 months on property at a regional should have prepped you for that decision making process.