Where do most pilots go after Republic?
08-29-2019, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ICUROOK
So American is planning on taking mainline flying and shifting it down to their WOs and growing them. And AA pilots are fine with this? wow, just wow.
08-29-2019, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
That's not what he said.
08-29-2019, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ICUROOK
That's exactly what he said and he seemed pretty proud of it too. If he meant something different, then he needs to clarify. Other pilots do not take too kindly these days to those who give up scope for pay.
100% clear to me at least. He didn't mention mainline flying at all.
08-29-2019, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ICUROOK
That's exactly what he said and he seemed pretty proud of it too. If he meant something different, then he needs to clarify. Other pilots do not take too kindly these days to those who give up scope for pay.
He didn't explicitly say, but contextually that's how I interpreted it.
08-29-2019, 10:04 AM
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He said that AA's plans to deal with the impending retirements is to increase flow while at the same time shifting flying to the WOs. When used in that context I am not sure how there is any way to interpret it differently then AA shifting mainline flying down to the WOs. Again, if he meant different then he needs to clarify.
08-29-2019, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ICUROOK
He said that AA's plans to deal with the impending retirements is to increase flow while at the same time shifting flying to the WOs. When used in that context I am not sure how there is any way to interpret it differently then AA shifting mainline flying down to the WOs. Again, if he meant different then he needs to clarify.
08-29-2019, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
OTS hiring will see a small uptick most likely, but the best path to AA is still the flow. AA has not minced words about their plans. They will increase the flows at the WOs while simultaneously shifting the flying to and growing their WO regionals. And they will continue to bolster their recruitment efforts there. So yes, AA’s hiring needs will increase. But so will the number of pilots flowing.
I see the industry narrowing quite a bit as the respective legacies secure their regional feed in creative ways. AA is going to continue to be primarily flow pilots and mil. UA has stopped its CPP and is rumored to be working on a more streamlined program for a select few of its regionals. And Delta is abandoning their former regional feed model at a rapid pace, with just a few regionals left in their fold. I think Republic and SkyWest will be fine due to their size and the flying they do, but any other contract regional should take note and not get too comfortable.
I see the industry narrowing quite a bit as the respective legacies secure their regional feed in creative ways. AA is going to continue to be primarily flow pilots and mil. UA has stopped its CPP and is rumored to be working on a more streamlined program for a select few of its regionals. And Delta is abandoning their former regional feed model at a rapid pace, with just a few regionals left in their fold. I think Republic and SkyWest will be fine due to their size and the flying they do, but any other contract regional should take note and not get too comfortable.
Not saying it can't be done logistically, but you do realize that what you're proposing AA will do will A) increase the amount of pilots leaving the WOs, and B) increase the demand for pilots at their WOs. Those two things don't go hand in hand. The WOs need to staff their flying, and I don't think any of the three will increase their flow any more than is absolutely necessary for recruiting.
Overall, I do agree with you that consolidation will be taking place over the next 5 years. As of right now, the only airlines I think are "safe" are the three AA WOs (although I think PSA and Piedmont will ultimately merge into a single entity), Endeavor, Republic, and Skywest. In the next tier is ExpressJet, which I really don't see going anywhere, but just by virtue of the fact they have all their eggs in the United basket I'm hesitant to put them in the "safe" category.
If I was at TSA, GoJet, Compass, or Mesa, I'd be pretty uneasy at the moment. I have my doubts about the long-term viability of United's 550 experiment at GoJet.
Commutair and Air Wisconsin are interesting because individually I don't think either of them are "unreplaceable," but losing both would be a substantial loss of lift for United. Of those two, I think it's probably most likely that Commutair and ExpressJet wind up merging, and Air Wisky is the victim, but I have a lot less clarity for those two. United seems to just go where the wind takes them so it's tough to say.
08-29-2019, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 05Duramax
On this note though, if Envoy/PSA/Piedmont is the only way to get to AA (more or less) Endeavor is the only way to get to Delta and ExpressJet/CommutAir is the only way to get to United, Skywest and Republic will have a tough time recruiting. I am thinking they will have to give pilots at these carriers some kind of defined career path. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking for my career prospects!
08-30-2019, 01:30 PM
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Very telling that chrisreedrules has not gone back on his statement. could it be he let out a company secret he was not supposed to? I mean, I am sure AA doesn't want it out there that they are going to shift mainline flying down to the WOs as a strategy to deal with the impending retirements.
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