Jumpseat Etiquette
02-13-2020, 11:13 AM
#11
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Jumpseat Etiquette
Originally Posted by DimpledBalls
No. Not upset at all. It is common courtesy to use your pass travel seniority to free up the cockpit jump. While no rule says you have to, it is widely accepted as that the appropriate thing to do.
While I am NOT an F9 Pilot, I know that on our airline if I have the opportunity to take a seat in the back to get a OAL pilot on the JS for work, I would do it and do it every time. If I am going home and a guy is going to work, offering the jumpseat is the right choice. I’ve done it on more than one occasion and will continue to do so.
I am not interested in a JS war because there are no winners but calling out someone for their selfishness ways is totally warranted. I consistently leave the day before of my show with a minimum of three flights but this type of behavior carries the risk of costing another pilot thousands of dollars in lost pay due to commuter protection trip loss. Personally, I would never do it to another pilot. Disagree if you want. I’ve said my piece and it’s over. Bottom line, take care of your fellow pilot because he/she may be on the hiring board of your next airline.
While I am NOT an F9 Pilot, I know that on our airline if I have the opportunity to take a seat in the back to get a OAL pilot on the JS for work, I would do it and do it every time. If I am going home and a guy is going to work, offering the jumpseat is the right choice. I’ve done it on more than one occasion and will continue to do so.
I am not interested in a JS war because there are no winners but calling out someone for their selfishness ways is totally warranted. I consistently leave the day before of my show with a minimum of three flights but this type of behavior carries the risk of costing another pilot thousands of dollars in lost pay due to commuter protection trip loss. Personally, I would never do it to another pilot. Disagree if you want. I’ve said my piece and it’s over. Bottom line, take care of your fellow pilot because he/she may be on the hiring board of your next airline.
Watch their going to a funeral or some other important family event. Family is more important.
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02-13-2020, 11:27 AM
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I understand in principle what you are saying, but I have never heard about an online pilot giving up the JS just because they are just going home. Your second point is more interesting, and is jumpseating 101...take the seat your pass classification / seniority can hold and don’t do any favors especially when offline pilots are trying for the Jumpseat.
02-13-2020, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DimpledBalls
Huge shout out to the Republic pilot who bumped me off the IND-PHL jumpseat today TO GO HOME. It will be remembered when you or your colleagues show up on my jumpseat.
In the world of commuters, a pilot going to work should always have access to the jumpseat over a person going home. End of story.
In the world of commuters, a pilot going to work should always have access to the jumpseat over a person going home. End of story.
And you’re mad a Republic pilot bounced you off HIS jumpseat?? Bro. You titled this jumpseat etiquette, but sounds like you have no clue what that etiquette is.
Lame post dude.
02-13-2020, 12:01 PM
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This is why just about every airline has a commuter policy. Time at home is very limited and in my eyes is more important than missing a turn or day of work. Always abide by your commuter policy and nothing will come of you missing a flight to work cause someone wanted to go home on own metal.
02-13-2020, 12:09 PM
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Nobody is entitled to expect a higher priority JSer to take a later flight so you can go to work. Sometimes they do, if they have the flexibility. For example I would if I was still getting home in time to see my kids. I would not if I lost family time.
But an online JSer who has the option to to nonrev in back but takes the JS and strands another pilot is a FREAKIN TOOL! We owe each other far more than we owe some ramper's pass rider. Situational awareness please.
But an online JSer who has the option to to nonrev in back but takes the JS and strands another pilot is a FREAKIN TOOL! We owe each other far more than we owe some ramper's pass rider. Situational awareness please.
02-13-2020, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Nobody is entitled to expect a higher priority JSer to take a later flight so you can go to work. Sometimes they do, if they have the flexibility. For example I would if I was still getting home in time to see my kids. I would not if I lost family time.
But an online JSer who has the option to to nonrev in back but takes the JS and strands another pilot is a FREAKIN TOOL! We owe each other far more than we owe some ramper's pass rider. Situational awareness please.
But an online JSer who has the option to to nonrev in back but takes the JS and strands another pilot is a FREAKIN TOOL! We owe each other far more than we owe some ramper's pass rider. Situational awareness please.
In AA terms. Someone taking the JS as a D2 to get a D3 on board, while stranding a D6UJ, is a total and complete a**hat.
Same as a positive space deadheader who takes the jumpseat to get a revenue pax on board while stranding a non-rev jumpseater.
02-13-2020, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
This +99.
In AA terms. Someone taking the JS as a D2 to get a D3 on board, while stranding a D6UJ, is a total and complete a**hat.
Same as a positive space deadheader who takes the jumpseat to get a revenue pax on board while stranding a non-rev jumpseater.
In AA terms. Someone taking the JS as a D2 to get a D3 on board, while stranding a D6UJ, is a total and complete a**hat.
Same as a positive space deadheader who takes the jumpseat to get a revenue pax on board while stranding a non-rev jumpseater.
Both of these instances are huge No-no’s. DH never take the JS and always know if an OAL is trying to JS.
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02-13-2020, 01:05 PM
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Some gate agents won't do last minute non-rev/jumpseat swaps, and depending on the airline, you can't be listed for both. Case in point, you list for a wide open flight as a non-rev. When you get to the gate, the flight is full and you might get the last seat, or you might not. So do you ask to switch to the jumpseat listing or not? In the meantime, another pilot lists for the jumpseat before you, the flight fills up and leaves you stranded. Had you had the GA change the listing before the other jumpseater checked in, the jumpseat would have been yours. Even if its your own metal, all bets are off at T-10 or 15 minutes. Most GA's will say sorry, I don't have time to relist you and close the door in your face.
That said, I've never seen anything say that reason for jumpseating is part of jumpseat etiquette. I've been bumped by a guy going to see his folks while I was trying to get to work for a trip I really wanted to fly. We were both OAL, and he got to the gate first. Yeah, I was annoying, but that's the rules. He checked in first.
That said, I've never seen anything say that reason for jumpseating is part of jumpseat etiquette. I've been bumped by a guy going to see his folks while I was trying to get to work for a trip I really wanted to fly. We were both OAL, and he got to the gate first. Yeah, I was annoying, but that's the rules. He checked in first.
02-13-2020, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DimpledBalls
No. Not upset at all. It is common courtesy to use your pass travel seniority to free up the cockpit jump. While no rule says you have to, it is widely accepted as that the appropriate thing to do.
While I am NOT an F9 Pilot, I know that on our airline if I have the opportunity to take a seat in the back to get a OAL pilot on the JS for work, I would do it and do it every time. If I am going home and a guy is going to work, offering the jumpseat is the right choice. I’ve done it on more than one occasion and will continue to do so.
I am not interested in a JS war because there are no winners but calling out someone for their selfishness ways is totally warranted. I consistently leave the day before of my show with a minimum of three flights but this type of behavior carries the risk of costing another pilot thousands of dollars in lost pay due to commuter protection trip loss. Personally, I would never do it to another pilot. Disagree if you want. I’ve said my piece and it’s over. Bottom line, take care of your fellow pilot because he/she may be on the hiring board of your next airline.
While I am NOT an F9 Pilot, I know that on our airline if I have the opportunity to take a seat in the back to get a OAL pilot on the JS for work, I would do it and do it every time. If I am going home and a guy is going to work, offering the jumpseat is the right choice. I’ve done it on more than one occasion and will continue to do so.
I am not interested in a JS war because there are no winners but calling out someone for their selfishness ways is totally warranted. I consistently leave the day before of my show with a minimum of three flights but this type of behavior carries the risk of costing another pilot thousands of dollars in lost pay due to commuter protection trip loss. Personally, I would never do it to another pilot. Disagree if you want. I’ve said my piece and it’s over. Bottom line, take care of your fellow pilot because he/she may be on the hiring board of your next airline.
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