Jumpseat Etiquette
02-14-2020, 01:43 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Nobody is entitled to expect a higher priority JSer to take a later flight so you can go to work. Sometimes they do, if they have the flexibility. For example I would if I was still getting home in time to see my kids. I would not if I lost family time.
But an online JSer who has the option to to nonrev in back but takes the JS and strands another pilot is a FREAKIN TOOL! We owe each other far more than we owe some ramper's pass rider. Situational awareness please.
But an online JSer who has the option to to nonrev in back but takes the JS and strands another pilot is a FREAKIN TOOL! We owe each other far more than we owe some ramper's pass rider. Situational awareness please.
Maybe the Js’r didn’t have pass benefits? They are optional and We do have to pay for them after all even though we support the flying. Or maybe there was another Republic employee trying to get home. Or maybe the JS’r has their spouse with them and they took the cabin seat. There are too many valid reasons for this to happen.
Sorry, but if I have a Republic Flight attendant, myself and some OAL pilot and there is only one seat in the back available and it’s a Republic flight, my butt is in the JS and our FA is in the cabin seat. 🤷🏻♂️
02-14-2020, 01:54 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by Tpinks
Nobody hear knows the actual situation.
Maybe the Js’r didn’t have pass benefits? They are optional and We do have to pay for them after all even though we support the flying. Or maybe there was another Republic employee trying to get home. Or maybe the JS’r has their spouse with them and they took the cabin seat. There are too many valid reasons for this to happen.
Sorry, but if I have a Republic Flight attendant, myself and some OAL pilot and there is only one seat in the back available and it’s a Republic flight, my butt is in the JS and our FA is in the cabin seat. ��
Maybe the Js’r didn’t have pass benefits? They are optional and We do have to pay for them after all even though we support the flying. Or maybe there was another Republic employee trying to get home. Or maybe the JS’r has their spouse with them and they took the cabin seat. There are too many valid reasons for this to happen.
Sorry, but if I have a Republic Flight attendant, myself and some OAL pilot and there is only one seat in the back available and it’s a Republic flight, my butt is in the JS and our FA is in the cabin seat. ��
I was making a public service announcement about an all too common scenario which occurs usually due to ignorance. Not judging the specific situation since as you say I don't have all the info.
But if you're going to prioritize other regional employees over pilots, you might be a good candidate to stay there forever. Pilots are hired guns, we owe allegiance to the profession and each other before any company. If you think differently, you're part of the problem. Remember the majority of other airline employees actually resent you for your compensation... they think they should have more, if only the greedy pilots didn't hog it all.
02-15-2020, 05:43 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by DimpledBalls
Huge shout out to the Republic pilot who bumped me off the IND-PHL jumpseat today TO GO HOME. It will be remembered when you or your colleagues show up on my jumpseat.
02-15-2020, 05:45 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by Web265
Just curious here, who was in the seat in the back that you know the JSing RAH pilot could have bumped? I must've missed that part.
Same... tried to figure that out earlier in the thread.
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02-15-2020, 01:32 PM
#46
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
But if you're going to prioritize other regional employees over pilots, you might be a good candidate to stay there forever. Pilots are hired guns, we owe allegiance to the profession and each other before any company. If you think differently, you're part of the problem. Remember the majority of other airline employees actually resent you for your compensation... they think they should have more, if only the greedy pilots didn't hog it all.
I'd argue that if you think pitting one coworker against another is appropriate, you're the problem. The flight attendants at Republic are terrific, professional, fun, and work extremely hard. I will take care of them before I take care of anyone offline, the same way they go out of their way to take care of us. Crew at regionals are a lot closer than they are at mainline. The bases are smaller (because the airlines are smaller), the trips are flown together, we spend a lot of time together.
Sewing division gets us nowhere. You can play "he said, she said" about who started it, but if you're not being part of the solution, you're being part of the problem.
Family/friends come first, then colleagues, then any other pilot, then everyone else. That puts an OAL pilot above 99% of the population. Complaining that you're not in the 0.1% is a pathetic sense of entitlement.
02-15-2020, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8
I'd argue that if you think pitting one coworker against another is appropriate, you're the problem....
Family/friends come first, then colleagues, then any other pilot, then everyone else. That puts an OAL pilot above 99% of the population. Complaining that you're not in the 0.1% is a pathetic sense of entitlement.
Family/friends come first, then colleagues, then any other pilot, then everyone else. That puts an OAL pilot above 99% of the population. Complaining that you're not in the 0.1% is a pathetic sense of entitlement.
02-15-2020, 05:29 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8
Who is prioritizing a company? Prioritizing your coworkers should always come before OAL. I would bend over backwards for an OAL pilot to get them [home, to work], but I'm not going to screw over one of my colleagues/friends to do so. That's not a slight against an OAL pilot, it's indicative of the value I have for our FAs.
I'd argue that if you think pitting one coworker against another is appropriate, you're the problem. The flight attendants at Republic are terrific, professional, fun, and work extremely hard. I will take care of them before I take care of anyone offline, the same way they go out of their way to take care of us. Crew at regionals are a lot closer than they are at mainline. The bases are smaller (because the airlines are smaller), the trips are flown together, we spend a lot of time together.
Sewing division gets us nowhere. You can play "he said, she said" about who started it, but if you're not being part of the solution, you're being part of the problem.
Family/friends come first, then colleagues, then any other pilot, then everyone else. That puts an OAL pilot above 99% of the population. Complaining that you're not in the 0.1% is a pathetic sense of entitlement.
I'd argue that if you think pitting one coworker against another is appropriate, you're the problem. The flight attendants at Republic are terrific, professional, fun, and work extremely hard. I will take care of them before I take care of anyone offline, the same way they go out of their way to take care of us. Crew at regionals are a lot closer than they are at mainline. The bases are smaller (because the airlines are smaller), the trips are flown together, we spend a lot of time together.
Sewing division gets us nowhere. You can play "he said, she said" about who started it, but if you're not being part of the solution, you're being part of the problem.
Family/friends come first, then colleagues, then any other pilot, then everyone else. That puts an OAL pilot above 99% of the population. Complaining that you're not in the 0.1% is a pathetic sense of entitlement.
02-15-2020, 07:22 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I was making a public service announcement about an all too common scenario which occurs usually due to ignorance. Not judging the specific situation since as you say I don't have all the info.
But if you're going to prioritize other regional employees over pilots, you might be a good candidate to stay there forever. Pilots are hired guns, we owe allegiance to the profession and each other before any company. If you think differently, you're part of the problem. Remember the majority of other airline employees actually resent you for your compensation... they think they should have more, if only the greedy pilots didn't hog it all.
But if you're going to prioritize other regional employees over pilots, you might be a good candidate to stay there forever. Pilots are hired guns, we owe allegiance to the profession and each other before any company. If you think differently, you're part of the problem. Remember the majority of other airline employees actually resent you for your compensation... they think they should have more, if only the greedy pilots didn't hog it all.
Never mind that the coworker (FA/gate agent/ops agent/whatever) you may bumping for the OAL pilot might the ability to make your life at the regional you’re trying to get out of very difficult.
Never mind if they have contacts at a place you want to get hired, etc.
02-16-2020, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8
Who is prioritizing a company? Prioritizing your coworkers should always come before OAL. I would bend over backwards for an OAL pilot to get them [home, to work], but I'm not going to screw over one of my colleagues/friends to do so. That's not a slight against an OAL pilot, it's indicative of the value I have for our FAs.
I'd argue that if you think pitting one coworker against another is appropriate, you're the problem. The flight attendants at Republic are terrific, professional, fun, and work extremely hard. I will take care of them before I take care of anyone offline, the same way they go out of their way to take care of us. Crew at regionals are a lot closer than they are at mainline. The bases are smaller (because the airlines are smaller), the trips are flown together, we spend a lot of time together.
Sewing division gets us nowhere. You can play "he said, she said" about who started it, but if you're not being part of the solution, you're being part of the problem.
Family/friends come first, then colleagues, then any other pilot, then everyone else. That puts an OAL pilot above 99% of the population. Complaining that you're not in the 0.1% is a pathetic sense of entitlement.
I'd argue that if you think pitting one coworker against another is appropriate, you're the problem. The flight attendants at Republic are terrific, professional, fun, and work extremely hard. I will take care of them before I take care of anyone offline, the same way they go out of their way to take care of us. Crew at regionals are a lot closer than they are at mainline. The bases are smaller (because the airlines are smaller), the trips are flown together, we spend a lot of time together.
Sewing division gets us nowhere. You can play "he said, she said" about who started it, but if you're not being part of the solution, you're being part of the problem.
Family/friends come first, then colleagues, then any other pilot, then everyone else. That puts an OAL pilot above 99% of the population. Complaining that you're not in the 0.1% is a pathetic sense of entitlement.
Friends/family first of course, obvious in this scenario, and then if your friend happens to be a co-worker, so be it.
By after many years, and many employers, my primary "co-worker" group is fellow pilots regardless. I sometimes fly with guys whom I flew with 20 years ago, four jobs ago. I consider all airline pilots to be in that group, and they get treated accordingly. My "secondary" co-worker group would be non-pilot employees of my current airline.
Do this long enough and you'll probably develop the same attitude. If not, you might be part of the problem. Don't fall in love with your employer, they'll take advantage of you if they can, and except for a select few, they probably won't be your employer in 10-20 years.
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