Republic seeks 1500 hour exemption
05-12-2022, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Web265
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A couple quick takes...
Most politicians, and I am including political appointees/gov employees, are always in hyper CYA mode. (unless of course there's enough money for them in the issue). Nobody wants to be the one to put an okay on removing the rule, what happens when (god forbid) an accident happens in 121 after that rule relaxation where one of the pilots has 500 hours? That person takes credit for that.
I'm guessing the "Colgan Families" are still watching and lobbying as well.
I could easily see where the brass were sitting around at a meeting lamenting the situation and someone said, "hey, we have other exemptions, has anyone asked for an exemption on this yet? No, let's give it a go and see what happens." In their shoes, given the priority of moving the metal and making money, why not? Worse thing that can happen is the FAA says "no", which my guess says is exactly what's going to happen. ...but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong....today...
A couple quick takes...
Most politicians, and I am including political appointees/gov employees, are always in hyper CYA mode. (unless of course there's enough money for them in the issue). Nobody wants to be the one to put an okay on removing the rule, what happens when (god forbid) an accident happens in 121 after that rule relaxation where one of the pilots has 500 hours? That person takes credit for that.
I'm guessing the "Colgan Families" are still watching and lobbying as well.
I could easily see where the brass were sitting around at a meeting lamenting the situation and someone said, "hey, we have other exemptions, has anyone asked for an exemption on this yet? No, let's give it a go and see what happens." In their shoes, given the priority of moving the metal and making money, why not? Worse thing that can happen is the FAA says "no", which my guess says is exactly what's going to happen. ...but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong....today...
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05-13-2022, 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
False. The 1500 hour rule had nothing to do with safety, it was Obama's gift to the unions. Both pilots of Colgan had well over 1500 hours when they crashed. They were fatigued and not well trained, which was also addressed in the rule change, the part that actually had to do with safety.
The FO was fatigued because she had a trans continental commute because she needed to live with her parents.
Pilots worked sick because they couldn’t afford a day off.
Pilots had second jobs and side hustles. No matter what the “mandatory rest rules” are the pilots are only going to use it to actually rest if they can afford too.
The 1500 hour rule was the start of pilots making enough to get off of welfare. It did fix the safety issues.
05-13-2022, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DontLookDown
The FO was fatigued because she had a trans continental commute because she needed to live with her parents.
Pilots worked sick because they couldn’t afford a day off.
Pilots had second jobs and side hustles. No matter what the “mandatory rest rules” are the pilots are only going to use it to actually rest if they can afford too.
The 1500 hour rule was the start of pilots making enough to get off of welfare. It did fix the safety issues.
Pilots worked sick because they couldn’t afford a day off.
Pilots had second jobs and side hustles. No matter what the “mandatory rest rules” are the pilots are only going to use it to actually rest if they can afford too.
The 1500 hour rule was the start of pilots making enough to get off of welfare. It did fix the safety issues.
Global market expansion, fewer military pilots, more retirees, high training costs, and inflation all contributed to the wage hikes and pilot shortage. The 1500 hour rule had little, if anything, to do with it. Rolling back the requirements to something reasonable will help the shortage, but only for a year or two more than likely.
05-13-2022, 02:36 PM
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Considering we haven't had an major airliner crash since the 1500 rule came about says somthing. Let's be honest before the 1500 hour rule came about, regionals were pretty good at turning airplanes into smoking holes in the ground, at the rate of atleast one every few years. The 1500 hour rule and its associated 117 rules fixed training, rest, and experience issues. Its not that hard to hit 1500 it took me a year and a half of instructing.... During that time I gained a lot of experience,delt with emergencies from simple stuff like electrical failures to full blown engine failure and everything in between. I also had to be the one who made the decisions, it taught me to recognize task saturation in others and whole host of other things that helps in the 121 world..
05-14-2022, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Peabody17
So Atlas crashing in the Houston bay doesn’t count?
From what I remember with the Atlas crash, that guy had failed several checkrides at mesa, somehow got hired at Atlas, failed initial and got let go, but the union got his job back. Then he put a 76 in the mud.
05-14-2022, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bonvoyage
One more reason that vetting applicants on their checkride failures should be the most important thing a company should do (which is what Colgan didn’t do, that CA had multiple failures).
From what I remember with the Atlas crash, that guy had failed several checkrides at mesa, somehow got hired at Atlas, failed initial and got let go, but the union got his job back. Then he put a 76 in the mud.
From what I remember with the Atlas crash, that guy had failed several checkrides at mesa, somehow got hired at Atlas, failed initial and got let go, but the union got his job back. Then he put a 76 in the mud.
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05-14-2022, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Round Luggage
I think you think after 1500 people don’t crash.
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