1500 rule, zero 121 accidents so far
09-19-2017, 04:22 PM
#91
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Originally Posted by 100LL
You know what could improve safety even more than an hour requirement and some training? Previous flying experience other than tooling around in a 172 for 1500 hrs or instructing. I'm talking about part 135 flight time especially single pilot turbine. Part 135 pilots who have done their job for a minimum of at least a year bring invaluable experience that can't be gained by instructing, or going to ERAU. We are talking hard IFR flying, night experience, icing and thunderstorms just to name a few all while acting as PIC alone. Introduce incentives for the regional airlines to hire pilots with prior 135 time. its my opinion they should be allowed to start higher up in the pay scale since they come with valuable experience unlike a 172 CFI doing steep turns day after day. Not asking for a bonus...they are as useless as per diem.
09-19-2017, 09:46 PM
#92
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Originally Posted by 100LL
You know what could improve safety even more than an hour requirement and some training? Previous flying experience other than tooling around in a 172 for 1500 hrs or instructing. I'm talking about part 135 flight time especially single pilot turbine. Part 135 pilots who have done their job for a minimum of at least a year bring invaluable experience that can't be gained by instructing, or going to ERAU. We are talking hard IFR flying, night experience, icing and thunderstorms just to name a few all while acting as PIC alone. Introduce incentives for the regional airlines to hire pilots with prior 135 time. its my opinion they should be allowed to start higher up in the pay scale since they come with valuable experience unlike a 172 CFI doing steep turns day after day. Not asking for a bonus...they are as useless as per diem.
09-24-2017, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Sounds nice on paper, but I've seen just as many pilots jaded by this 135 experience, to the point of being un-hire-able by 121s. In the real world, things aren't as cut and dry as you make them out to be. Most 121 pilots are very conservative, the airlines want them to be, they want safe smart pilots. Lots of the things that people experience in 135 are the exact opposite of how they want you to behave under 121. I knew many instructors that only flew at night and only taught IFR. As far as IFR, they were sharper than many/most airline pilots, staying current on basic techniques and topics.
Out of curiosity have you flown both? It's a very accusatory statement. "Lots of things" is an uneducated statement.
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09-24-2017, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse
For instance...... 
Originally Posted by flyboy8524
Out of curiosity have you flown both? It's a very accusatory statement. "Lots of things" is an uneducated statement.
He's correct.
Originally Posted by Yoda2
Dear 100LL, I have years of flying, thousands of hours, and in more aircraft than I can recall off the top of my head. I have flown single pilot IFR in all the conditions you mention, and in many more conditions and circumstances that I'm sure you have yet to encounter. In addition to studying my butt off, the primary reason I am still alive today is due to some excellent and dedicated flight instructors that I tooled around with in Cessna's...
09-24-2017, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
On call 24/7, for one. Not legal, but common. There's a great deal that goes on in 135 operations that's not kosher. A lot that would never fly, and would never be allowed in most 121 operations.
That's the big difference?
I've flown both extensively and I don't see the big deal or the big difference.
09-24-2017, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by flyboy8524
Out of curiosity have you flown both? It's a very accusatory statement. "Lots of things" is an uneducated statement.
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09-24-2017, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse
24/7 on call is what 135 has and 121 doesn't.
That's the big difference?
I've flown both extensively and I don't see the big deal or the big difference.
That's the big difference?
I've flown both extensively and I don't see the big deal or the big difference.
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