TiredSoul

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USMCFLYR

Thanks.

There is that pesky SIC-0 again.

‘...let me show you how this is done’?
Don’t like hearing that, but I don’t remember reading that in the CVR transcript either.

PowderFinger

I don't remember reading that either ... Thought that was the highly popular and skilled avatrix at SW going into LGA

PowderFinger

Would love to hear why the captain only lasted 2 months at PSA

TCASTESTOK

Couldnt one FOIA the PRIA records?

Also regarding the accident, the SIC-0 program was the PREVENT this from happening.

When asked why there was a need for SIC-0 system if the SIC was already fully qualified, he
said that SICs had demonstrated their abilities in a simulator, but not in real life with passengers.
Before putting their name on the line with passengers who were paying the bills, they wanted to
make sure they can handle the basic tasks

At the time of the accident, there were no Lear SICs that were allowed to fly the airplane
since they were all SIC-0.

JohnBurke

Reading through some of interviews and statements, I can say with some measure of conviction that the statements are at best questionable, as are certain of those interviewed, as I know some of those involved, as well as the aircraft and the operators. I'd hesitate to be specific on a public forum, but the only surprise is that this didn't happen sooner. Additionally, certain of the operators tended to hire questionably, and to gather eclectic characters.

The culture of minimal training and captain dominance in the cockpit was corporate from the top down when many of these actors worked together. It's an attitude and approach to flying that the industry has been trying to stamp out for the past couple of decades, yet in pockets, it remains. The use of first officers not capable of flying the airplane is a window into that mentality.

One of those named had a long history of pushing fuel to nearly zero, and took great pride in landing at or nearly out of fuel, and had flamed engines out that way, and flown high speed direct to final with a steep descent due to being fuel critical, on a regular basis. The same also had major anger management issues, including mandatory anger management counseling; that such a person was called on to make character judgements of the deceased throws much of the process into question. Suffice it to say that there is a lot more unsaid than said here, and the small bit shown is only the topside portion of the ice berg.

TiredSoul

Thanks for the additional info JB.
I could read CYA between the lines as well.

This ^^^

pilotguy7

I flew with the SIC early on (I did his INST .. nearly only rating he didn’t bust). Great kid. Nice guy. But LITS of alarm bells early on. So sad for him and his family ... but this was a perfect storm of two pilots that should have never been together.. ever!


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TCASTESTOK

Yea good luck to them ever being insured again. It is a fact that their insurance will NOT payout for this due to the SIC flying when he wasn't supposed to be.