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Old 05-15-2017, 01:39 PM   #1
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Thoughts with the families and those involved. Doesn't look good.

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Weather has been good all day except for some strong winds from the NW.

Here's the METAR just after the a crash

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KTEB 151945Z 32015G32KT 10SM SCT045 19/04 A2975 RMK SMOKE ON APCH
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http://abc7ny.com/news/2-dead-in-fiery-small-plane-crash-near-teterboro-airport/1996145/

2 souls lost.
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Very sad indeed. Prayers and thoughts go out to the families.

Those circles from Rwy 6 to 1 or 19 to 24 can be challenging at times.
With winds blowing from 340/20+, a circle from 6 to 1 would require a quick turn off the final and an immediate turn to final once wings have gone level. If you delay the turn to final, the dreaded low and slow overshoot begins. Especiallly dangerous when you have a gusty quartering tailwind.

I fear this may have been a scenario these guys faced.
God speed to these guys on their flight west.
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Many years in that model. The safety margins, if not complied with, can be fatal. In particular, when bank angle limitations are exceeded during circling maneuvers:

Truckee, CA: 2 fatal during circle
Palwakee, IL. 2 fatal during circle
Teterboro, NJ ?

The angle of impact, from the parking lot video, appears to show an aircraft that had already departed controlled flight......
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My heart goes out to the families and friends of the crew, and I'm thankful that nobody on the ground met their maker.
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Many years in that model. The safety margins, if not complied with, can be fatal. In particular, when bank angle limitations are exceeded during circling maneuvers:

Truckee, CA: 2 fatal during circle
Palwakee, IL. 2 fatal during circle
Teterboro, NJ ?

The angle of impact, from the parking lot video, appears to show an aircraft that had already departed controlled flight......
I'm unfamiliar with the Lear, would you mind elaborating on the safety margins you referred to?
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What the previous poster is referring to is the inherent low speed handling challenges with the LR-Jet series due to the Fuel Tanks located at the wing tips. Lots of extra weight out there on a large "moment arm". Thus during low speed maneuvering, an overbanking tendency can occur with rapid onset and limited ability to correct for it. Proper airspeed control, adherence to minimum maneuvering speeds (depends on flap setting and weight) and limiting bank angles during maneuvers such as circling to land are normal SOP.
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