SFO Near Miss 28R
07-11-2017, 03:12 PM
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This seems to happen more often than we would think. It could happen to any of us: add fatigue, lack of proficiency, maybe newly typed in the plane, etc. Just goes to show, never let your guard down. Even if flying a visual, always have a white/magenta/green (whatever you guys use) line to final. If there is an ILS, no reason not to use it as a backup. A localizer tuned up would have shown significant CDI deflection even a mile or two out from threshold as the pilot was lined up on the taxiway. I always brief the runway lighting if it is night or IMC so we both know what we are supposed to see when we break out of the goo.
07-11-2017, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by C130driver
This seems to happen more often than we would think. It could happen to any of us: add fatigue, lack of proficiency, maybe newly typed in the plane, etc. Just goes to show, never let your guard down. Even if flying a visual, always have a white/magenta/green (whatever you guys use) line to final. If there is an ILS, no reason not to use it as a backup. A localizer tuned up would have shown significant CDI deflection even a mile or two out from threshold as the pilot was lined up on the taxiway. I always brief the runway lighting if it is night or IMC so we both know what we are supposed to see when we break out of the goo.
07-11-2017, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by C130driver
This seems to happen more often than we would think. It could happen to any of us: add fatigue, lack of proficiency, maybe newly typed in the plane, etc. Just goes to show, never let your guard down. Even if flying a visual, always have a white/magenta/green (whatever you guys use) line to final. If there is an ILS, no reason not to use it as a backup. A localizer tuned up would have shown significant CDI deflection even a mile or two out from threshold as the pilot was lined up on the taxiway. I always brief the runway lighting if it is night or IMC so we both know what we are supposed to see when we break out of the goo.
But I would add, if things look weird or the hairs on the back of your neck start to tingle, it is time to take a step back.
Listening to the radio calls, the Air Canada queries the tower about "lights on the runway" and asking to confirm landing clearance. It seems something isn't adding up to him.
At that point, it really doesn't matter who has erred. Maybe ground is crossing someone without regard to landing traffic, or a ground vehicle is lost, or we are lined up with the taxiway, it doesn't really matter because they all end in a bad way.
The point is when one gets that "this just don't feel right!" feeling, get to a safe place (in this case, go around) and do a reset. Don't continue when your gut says 'no'.
07-11-2017, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
You can't have the ILS in for the runway you are landing on?
07-11-2017, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by IDIOTPILOT
They were probably on the FMS Bridge Visual. You can't have the ILS and the RNAV data displayed on the PFD at the same time. There's no raw data RNAV lateral needle on the 320.
07-12-2017, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by IDIOTPILOT
They were probably on the FMS Bridge Visual. You can't have the ILS and the RNAV data displayed on the PFD at the same time. There's no raw data RNAV lateral needle on the 320.
07-12-2017, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mink
So at the bridge, once the "Bridge Visual" part is done, have the PNF get out of RNAV and tune up / display the 28R localizer....?
Originally Posted by threeighteen
So the Airbus can't transition from an RNAV arrival/visual to an ILS?
I'm sure someone who's flown an Airbus more or tried something like this in the past could shed more light.
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