Damn!! Emirates A380 Crosswind Landing...
12-01-2017, 04:58 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Back country makes no difference. In fact, if you're on rough surfaces, unprepared surfaces, wet grass, etc, keep your toes or heels or hands off the damn brakes. Especially if your tail is in the air.
Lowering landing gear during a dive certification test does not make the brakes a flight control. Show where any document states to the contrary. You cannot.
Brakes are not a flight control, and simply because you either wilfully misuse brakes in the "back country" or simply have bad habits, or just outright don't know what you're doing, does not make them a flight control, either.
Show a document or source that states otherwise.
Lowering landing gear during a dive certification test does not make the brakes a flight control. Show where any document states to the contrary. You cannot.
Brakes are not a flight control, and simply because you either wilfully misuse brakes in the "back country" or simply have bad habits, or just outright don't know what you're doing, does not make them a flight control, either.
Show a document or source that states otherwise.
Fly safe,
B757
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdHkpq7GMuc
12-01-2017, 07:01 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by B757
..JB, concerning your comment about the brakes, this one is for you..Even guys like you can learn something new..That´s if you want to..
Fly safe,
B757
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdHkpq7GMuc
Fly safe,
B757
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdHkpq7GMuc
He used brakes to stop, a fairly common use of brakes, which do not make them flight controls.
Originally Posted by Grumble
Reel me back in...
What are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
Brakes are not flight controls. Never were. Still aren't. You're still having a hard time understanding this fact.
The use of gear in a Vmc demonstration, and in certification, does not make it a flight control. Nowhere in 14 CFR 23 is landing gear or brake cited as a flight control. This is because it is not a flight control.
Landing gear is included in Vmc calculation for certification because the regulation requires Vmc to be calculated in the landing and takeoff configuration (see 14 CFR23.2135(c).
Originally Posted by Grumble
Do you have a multi engine rating?
Originally Posted by Grumble
FAR 23.149
Of course you don't.
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...12135&rgn=div8
As for Valdez, Alaska, brakes are still not flight controls, nor is the gear.
Last edited by JohnBurke; 12-01-2017 at 07:19 PM.
12-01-2017, 08:30 PM
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[QUOTE=JohnBurke;2475932]It's a guy landing a tailwheel aircraft, still not using brakes as flight controls. Your point?
..My point is what you said earlier..
..(JB)..Back country makes no difference. In fact, if you're on rough surfaces, unprepared surfaces, wet grass, etc, keep your toes or heels or hands off the damn brakes. Especially if your tail is in the air.
..My point is what you said earlier..
..(JB)..Back country makes no difference. In fact, if you're on rough surfaces, unprepared surfaces, wet grass, etc, keep your toes or heels or hands off the damn brakes. Especially if your tail is in the air.
12-01-2017, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
Guys, accept it. JB is THE aviation god.
Oh, and his is at least three inches longer than yours.
Oh, and his is at least three inches longer than yours.
12-02-2017, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Hetman
Doesn’t make brakes a flight control.
GF
12-03-2017, 02:49 AM
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12-03-2017, 11:03 AM
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[QUOTE=B757;2475980]
I said so correctly. If you're operating in the "back country," keep your damn toes off the brakes.
If you're showing off at a landing contest at Valdez with your tricked out gimmick airplane, then do whatever you want.
If you think brakes are a flight control, you're dead wrong, and the same goes for landing gear. Now, show me that document which states otherwise.
You can't.
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
It's a guy landing a tailwheel aircraft, still not using brakes as flight controls. Your point?
..My point is what you said earlier..
..(JB)..Back country makes no difference. In fact, if you're on rough surfaces, unprepared surfaces, wet grass, etc, keep your toes or heels or hands off the damn brakes. Especially if your tail is in the air.
..My point is what you said earlier..
..(JB)..Back country makes no difference. In fact, if you're on rough surfaces, unprepared surfaces, wet grass, etc, keep your toes or heels or hands off the damn brakes. Especially if your tail is in the air.
If you're showing off at a landing contest at Valdez with your tricked out gimmick airplane, then do whatever you want.
If you think brakes are a flight control, you're dead wrong, and the same goes for landing gear. Now, show me that document which states otherwise.
You can't.
12-03-2017, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
I am sure that he is an aviation god, but I cannot believe that he has ever operated an airplane with a crew. His method of "resolving" disagreements would prevent 99% of pilots from finishing loading the FMS before they called out sick.
All rise for the almighty sky king. 
12-03-2017, 03:42 PM
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It's simple; this is a discussion not about me; are you able to contribute to the subject, or are you not? We quickly see who is able.
Which one of you can show that brakes or gear are flight controls? Do it.
Neither are flight controls; those arguing otherwise are talking out their backside for no other reason than to be heard, and doing so falsely.
Which one of you can show that brakes or gear are flight controls? Do it.
Neither are flight controls; those arguing otherwise are talking out their backside for no other reason than to be heard, and doing so falsely.
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