ron kent

Nobody got hurt. A painful learning event for the crew that the rest of us will benefit from...they will be back on the line in due time.

2StgTurbine

I disagree. Sometimes it sparks a discussion on a hypothetical similar event. It also helps the APC community when the Monday morning quarterbacks reveal themselves making it easier for the rest of us to ignore them.

Floyd

A "hypothetical similar event" and you need this to reveal the Monday morning quarterbacks so you can ignore them?

I rest my case.

Sunvox

I don't feel the responder was eloquent enough in his discussion, but I sympathize with the sentiment.

The accident has already been reported in the press so the entire issue for us as pilots is that we lead the world in self-reflection. Doctors are studying our techniques because we are the best professionals on the planet in terms of self analyzing our mistakes.

Now, having said that I will add that any discussion that lacks facts is unimportant and worthless.

My immediate take away is that FAR 117 did not go far enough. Pilots should not be allowed to work a 16 hour day in bad weather. That is a discussion worth having, and I am glad the internet affords us a voice that is sometimes amplified.

Floyd

I could unfortunately see it unfolding like this. Airbus departs hard surface on landing during a snow event. Captain has less than 300 hours in aircraft and was the PF. Thankfully no fatalities but the aircraft sustained substantial damage. Both Captain and FO are facing a long road of questions from investigators and the company while looking forward to other hurdles to return to the cockpit. One could imagine their state of mind after such an event.

But it's ok SUNVOX, your eloquent, factual voice will add to a conversation of I'd never do that or I would have done this. I hope you never find yourself in that position because one of the first things you'll initially be told is to keep your mouth shut. Why is that SUNVOX? Should we be piling on when these guys are told to be quiet?

This reminds me of rubber necks who always have to slow past an automobile accident.

trip

This is all hypothetical right?

My take away
>The 737 approach speeds are uncomfortable.
>Dispatchers plan from a comfy swivel chair.

Hetman

There, but for the grace of God, go I.

Glad nobody was hurt.

JohnBurke

God forbid there be discussion about current events.

But wait! Isn't this you, the one calling or no comments...commenting??

Has anyone "piled" on "these guys?" No.

Go take a valium. The sky isn't falling yet.

Floyd

Discussion about current events or critiquing a fellow pilot on a public forum? The "piling on" would eventually occur. The critiques should be left for the investigators and instructors.

Am I commenting? Evidently you didn't read carefully because my event was fictitious and had nothing to do with what happened the other night.

As for the valium....

Adlerdriver

You're right. No one should even be thinking maybe if they had to go into GRB next week with a 150/9 wind and a potentially slippery runway, they might opt for the RNAV to 18 and some extra runway over the short runway, a direct cross and an ILS to 06.

Just talking future ops or perhaps a different airport altogether. Maybe 18/36 was closed the other night, IDK. Just food for thought or discussion since that's kind of what this forum is for.