When to ignore ATC?
08-01-2018, 07:27 AM
#31
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So, we're quibbling over getting ATC instructions while we're moving and making callouts to each other?
Like what happens during most phases of flight?
If you're busy, don't respond.
To the controller working tower at JFK who saw us slowing to make the high-speed, and advised us to exit farther down than we'd planned...thanks for "interrupting" our crew callouts! Ending up beak-to-beak with Mr WrongTurn (Air China Cargo) would've been a problem.
To the controller working Tower at MDW that transmitted "Abort!" when one of my brethren mis-heard a takeoff clearance....thanks!
Like what happens during most phases of flight?
If you're busy, don't respond.
To the controller working tower at JFK who saw us slowing to make the high-speed, and advised us to exit farther down than we'd planned...thanks for "interrupting" our crew callouts! Ending up beak-to-beak with Mr WrongTurn (Air China Cargo) would've been a problem.
To the controller working Tower at MDW that transmitted "Abort!" when one of my brethren mis-heard a takeoff clearance....thanks!
08-01-2018, 10:20 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by Karnak
To the controller working tower at JFK who saw us slowing to make the high-speed, and advised us to exit farther down than we'd planned...thanks for "interrupting" our crew callouts! Ending up beak-to-beak with Mr WrongTurn (Air China Cargo) would've been a problem.
To the controller working Tower at MDW that transmitted "Abort!" when one of my brethren mis-heard a takeoff clearance....thanks!
To the controller working Tower at MDW that transmitted "Abort!" when one of my brethren mis-heard a takeoff clearance....thanks!
Sure, a crew can obviously choose not to answer. However, the tower controller can exercise some of that same discipline and pick a better time for his administrative radio call. It’s a pretty simple concept. Safety calls are a completely different matter.
08-02-2018, 08:25 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Do you really not see the difference between the two safety related scenarios you mention and giving basic taxi instructions or asking for a parking location during rollout?
Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Sure, a crew can obviously choose not to answer. However, the tower controller can exercise some of that same discipline and pick a better time for his administrative radio call.
Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
It’s a pretty simple concept.
Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Safety calls are a completely different matter.
I watched a United jet go around at MSP when another pilot queried Tower, "Isn't 30L closed?" as United was over the threshold. Dumb call from the other pilot. Poor filtering from United.
Since callouts from the other pilot is kind of a priority to me, I turn the ICS volume up, and switch my ATC Filter to "Expert Level" for landings.
08-02-2018, 10:49 AM
#35
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Originally Posted by Karnak
Nope. They're a different priority. So until every single ATC call is prefaced with "Safety call!..." or "Normal call..." we're gonna have to adapt to the environment.
My point (and the point of several others here) is that ATC could spend a modicum of effort using their own filter before they hit the transmit button. It's a pretty specific case that we all are talking about - not the wide variety you seem to be using.
A tower controller has taxi instructions to provide to a landing aircraft or (as in the OP's specific situation) wanted to know where he was parking. Admin. Not preventing a nose to nose taxi issue or stopping an aircraft from taking off without clearance. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask any tower controller to think a tiny bit before they transmit to an aircraft that's in the process of bringing their aircraft from touchdown speed to taxi speed. If they decide the call needs to happen at that moment, then make it. Otherwise, let the crew finish the roll out and handle the admin after. Another option would be to give them the clearance or clarify the parking location while they're still out on final.
Just a little common sense.
08-02-2018, 12:55 PM
#36
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In my case yesterday the ‘where are you parking’ request near the end of the landing roll was because it made a difference in where they wanted me to depart the runway. At what point it becomes an issue or not I’m not sure, but I’d say for me so far IME, it hasn’t been an issue thank goodness.
08-03-2018, 08:35 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Do you really not see the difference between the two safety related scenarios you mention and giving basic taxi instructions or asking for a parking location during rollout?
Sure, a crew can obviously choose not to answer. However, the tower controller can exercise some of that same discipline and pick a better time for his administrative radio call. It’s a pretty simple concept. Safety calls are a completely different matter.
Sure, a crew can obviously choose not to answer. However, the tower controller can exercise some of that same discipline and pick a better time for his administrative radio call. It’s a pretty simple concept. Safety calls are a completely different matter.
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