Lion Air 737 Max Accident
#13
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#14
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This happened on the previous flight
*Ada info flight record* *penerbagan sebelumnya:*
A: PK LQP, B737 Max 8
D: 28.10.2018
O: Airspeed unreliable and alt disagree shown after take off. STS was also running to the wrong direction, suspected because of speed difference. Identified that CAPT instrument was unreliable and handover control to FO. Continue NNC of Airspeed Unreliable and ALT disagree. Decide to continue flying to CGK at FL280, landed safely rwy 25L
R: DPS CGK LNI 043
E: AFML
R: Capt William Martinus/133031, FO M Fulki Naufan/ 144291
A: PK LQP, B737 Max 8
D: 28.10.2018
O: Airspeed unreliable and alt disagree shown after take off. STS was also running to the wrong direction, suspected because of speed difference. Identified that CAPT instrument was unreliable and handover control to FO. Continue NNC of Airspeed Unreliable and ALT disagree. Decide to continue flying to CGK at FL280, landed safely rwy 25L
R: DPS CGK LNI 043
E: AFML
R: Capt William Martinus/133031, FO M Fulki Naufan/ 144291
#17
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Known pitch and power, very useful to know cold. At the very least if you're initially completely out of ideas, park the throttles 2/3 up, get the slats out for a little extra AOA margin, and put the waterline about 5 deg nose high to give you some time to sort out what's good and what's lying to you.
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Known pitch and power, very useful to know cold. At the very least if you're initially completely out of ideas, park the throttles 2/3 up, get the slats out for a little extra AOA margin, and put the waterline about 5 deg nose high to give you some time to sort out what's good and what's lying to you.
Obviously we don't know what happened yet, but it does seem that a lot of pilots from these parts of the world have so little background in flying, the fundamentals escape them. .... like the relief pilot of Air France. He had virtually zero experience flying anything other than a big, automated jet.
Know your rough pitch and power settings.
#20
Here’s Lion Air’s accident history since their founding in 2000:
Lion Air began flying in 2000. As of yesterday before the crash, they had 115 aircraft in their fleet.
Here is a list of their notable incidents. If we look through them, we can see that they have destroyed 8 aircraft in less than 20 years! The majority of their accidents are due to pilot error.
January 14, 2002
737-200 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Written Off
Takeoff accident due to incorrect flap configuration
November 30, 2004
MD82 - 25 Fatalities - Aircraft Destroyed
Landing runway excursion. Aircraft hydroplaned.
March 4, 2006
MD-82 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Written Off
Landing runway excursion. Left reverser was listed as INOP. Reverse thrust used on landing causing the aircraft to veer.
December 24, 2006
737-400 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Written Off
Landing accident. Incorrect flap setting and the aircraft was not aligned with the runway.
March 9, 2009
MD90 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Written Off
Landing runway excursion. The pilots continued with a non-stabilized approach. Only one reverser opened, causing the aircraft to pivot around the nose off of the runway.
November 2, 2010
737-400 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Written Off
Landing runway excursion. Non-stable approach, speed brakes not used until 42 seconds after touchdown.
April 13, 2013
737-800 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Destroyed
Landed short due to unstable approach.
August 6, 2013
737-800 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Damaged and Repaired
Landing excursion. Aircraft hit cows on the runway and veered off as a result of trying to avoid them.
February 1, 2014
737-900 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Damaged and Repaired
Hard landing resulting in tire damage and a tail strike. Four bounces before the impact.
February 20, 2016
737-900 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Not Damaged
Runway excursion. Late touchdown, delayed spoiler deployment, thrust levers not at idle position, and late of brake application. Aircraft came to a stop with the nose gear 1 metre past the end of the threshold.
April 29, 2018
737-800 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Damaged and Repaired
Runway excursion. Heavy rain was reported as they touched down and veered off to the left of the runway.
October 29, 2018
737-MAX8 - 189 Fatalities (Not confirmed) - Aircraft Destroyed
Aircraft crashed into water shortly after takeoff.
Make of that what you’ll will.
GF
Lion Air began flying in 2000. As of yesterday before the crash, they had 115 aircraft in their fleet.
Here is a list of their notable incidents. If we look through them, we can see that they have destroyed 8 aircraft in less than 20 years! The majority of their accidents are due to pilot error.
January 14, 2002
737-200 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Written Off
Takeoff accident due to incorrect flap configuration
November 30, 2004
MD82 - 25 Fatalities - Aircraft Destroyed
Landing runway excursion. Aircraft hydroplaned.
March 4, 2006
MD-82 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Written Off
Landing runway excursion. Left reverser was listed as INOP. Reverse thrust used on landing causing the aircraft to veer.
December 24, 2006
737-400 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Written Off
Landing accident. Incorrect flap setting and the aircraft was not aligned with the runway.
March 9, 2009
MD90 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Written Off
Landing runway excursion. The pilots continued with a non-stabilized approach. Only one reverser opened, causing the aircraft to pivot around the nose off of the runway.
November 2, 2010
737-400 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Written Off
Landing runway excursion. Non-stable approach, speed brakes not used until 42 seconds after touchdown.
April 13, 2013
737-800 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Destroyed
Landed short due to unstable approach.
August 6, 2013
737-800 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Damaged and Repaired
Landing excursion. Aircraft hit cows on the runway and veered off as a result of trying to avoid them.
February 1, 2014
737-900 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Damaged and Repaired
Hard landing resulting in tire damage and a tail strike. Four bounces before the impact.
February 20, 2016
737-900 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Not Damaged
Runway excursion. Late touchdown, delayed spoiler deployment, thrust levers not at idle position, and late of brake application. Aircraft came to a stop with the nose gear 1 metre past the end of the threshold.
April 29, 2018
737-800 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Damaged and Repaired
Runway excursion. Heavy rain was reported as they touched down and veered off to the left of the runway.
October 29, 2018
737-MAX8 - 189 Fatalities (Not confirmed) - Aircraft Destroyed
Aircraft crashed into water shortly after takeoff.
Make of that what you’ll will.
GF
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