at6d

What was landing weight?

What was reported FICON?

Did they use 30 or 40 flaps?

(Did they have good numbers for 40 and accidentally set 30?)

Why don’t you tell us what the landing distance numbers were?

Skyward

Hmm. You have all the data from the BUR flight? Were you the pilot, the NTSB lead investigator, a fly on the wall? I know... you slept in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

The weather report might be published, but if you think you have ALL the info pertaining to this, then you haven’t been around very long.

Swingline78

Anybody passing judgment on this is part of the problem. We are all capable of pushing too hard or making mistakes. If you don't understand that I don't want you in my cockpit. What's wrong with you that you take such pleasure in other flight crews mishaps? This brings us all down. Wait for the report. Learn from it. And remember that there are those that have and those that will.

WhaleSurfing

Andy..

See posts 299, 300, 301.

Yes, you and others like you ARE the problem!!!

Andy

No Whale, the problem is that you and others here are keeping the cowboy ops reputation alive and well by circling the wagons on this one. As for the data, one doesn't need to even run numbers on this to know that it was dicey at best.

I cannot believe that anyone would even attempt to defend such poor judgment.

Swingline78

Pack up your suit case and go back to your bridge, troll. You are calling yourself out to every professional who reads this forum as someone no one wants to fly with.

WhaleSurfing

Andy is a UAL guy. Probably the best hand flying pilots in the world. Just ask him and his CEO.

Just like your CEO and MEC chairman comments on the Lion Air accident. I assume you were all on board that flight too and have “ALL” the data.

Again...GMAFB!!

RJSAviator76

For someone who supposedly wants to learn from the mistakes of others, you sure are quick to throw the crew under the bus without knowing all the facts, factors, workload, calculations, etc.

I refuse to believe that any airline pilot in this country would knowingly violate procedures and policies and recklessly push into a questionable destination, ergo... a mistake was made somewhere. The question is where?

Did the crew make a mistake of running dry vs. wet numbers? When were the numbers run? Did the wind shift since the initial calculation was performed? Was the crew distracted? Did they float? How did they end up off to the side of the runway as opposed to going straight out into the blast pad? So many unanswered questions, yet that doesn't seem to stop the comments like "cowboy ops!!!" especially from someone who claims they want to learn.

Disappointing...

WhaleSurfing

Not disappointing RJ....Just ignorance and arrogance!

okawner

This is a pretty naive statement. Not saying this SWA crew falls into this bucket because I, like many others, will wait until all the facts are presented before making my own personal, private judgments. But to say there are not reckless pilots in this industry? They're out there. Certainly a small minority but present nonetheless.

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