SWA 737 Burbank incident
12-16-2018, 08:32 AM
#321
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Just stop replying to the idiots. This thread is akin to a Facebook political post. There are a couple of keyboard warriors who will defend their incorrect perception to the end.
Of course nobody will land without the performance numbers. That is a career ending event without a good (on fire) reason to do it. I have flown with the worst of the worst bid avoid guys here at SWA and not a single one of them would ever put the pax and aircraft, not to mention their careers, at risk like that.
This was an unfortunate incident that highlights the risk associated with operating to short runways in poor weather conditions.
When the data all comes out, we can discuss what went wrong and learn from it. Period. Dot. The end. Nothing else to really discuss or see.
Of course nobody will land without the performance numbers. That is a career ending event without a good (on fire) reason to do it. I have flown with the worst of the worst bid avoid guys here at SWA and not a single one of them would ever put the pax and aircraft, not to mention their careers, at risk like that.
This was an unfortunate incident that highlights the risk associated with operating to short runways in poor weather conditions.
When the data all comes out, we can discuss what went wrong and learn from it. Period. Dot. The end. Nothing else to really discuss or see.
Amen brother! Out.
12-16-2018, 10:59 AM
#323
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Originally Posted by navigatro
I am not singling out Southwest or saying they are any better/worse than any other airline.
I am saying that FOQA data PROVES that pilots regularly (intentionally) violate stable approach criteria, which is black and white.
That's all I'm saying.
(and by "regularly" I mean a surprisingly high %). I was serious about looking at FOQA data. It is eye-opening.
I am saying that FOQA data PROVES that pilots regularly (intentionally) violate stable approach criteria, which is black and white.
That's all I'm saying.
(and by "regularly" I mean a surprisingly high %). I was serious about looking at FOQA data. It is eye-opening.
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12-16-2018, 06:29 PM
#324
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Originally Posted by Swingline78
Anybody passing judgment on this is part of the problem. We are all capable of pushing too hard or making mistakes. If you don't understand that I don't want you in my cockpit. What's wrong with you that you take such pleasure in other flight crews mishaps? This brings us all down. Wait for the report. Learn from it. And remember that there are those that have and those that will.
12-17-2018, 02:36 PM
#328
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I’m a UAL guy and Jumpseat on SWA all the time. I’ve NEVER seen anything but the utmost level of safety displayed by every crew I’ve ridden with.
I’ll be very interested to see if they lost directional control at the end or intentionally went left. This is a sobering reminder to me that I need to be briefing EMAS. I used to do it and have gotten out of the habit. “We have EMAS at the end of the runway. If something goes wrong and we are going off, I’ll try to keep the airplane in a straight line”.
I’ll be very interested to see if they lost directional control at the end or intentionally went left. This is a sobering reminder to me that I need to be briefing EMAS. I used to do it and have gotten out of the habit. “We have EMAS at the end of the runway. If something goes wrong and we are going off, I’ll try to keep the airplane in a straight line”.
12-17-2018, 04:42 PM
#329
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
Tailwind with heavy rain and short runway is an easy one. I’m not one to finish the mission if I see any doubts in it.
It’s easy IF the scenario is like we imagine it in our minds. That’s the issue in this thread... without ALL the facts and the report we’re leaving the whole thing to our imaginations because none of us were there.
12-17-2018, 07:24 PM
#330
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I strongly doubt they intentionally landed with no data, however what data was input to generate valid numbers is going to almost certainly be a factor.
Us Deltoids have a reputation for a stick up our rear, and there are people that give that reputation cause. (looking at you, Hollywood)
In the same token, to deny WN types don't push it more than others is denying reality. Just a couple months ago, there was a storm covering up all 3 finals in ATL, and myself and UA said "no freaking way." 2 WN's said SURE!! Watching them penetrate that storm with very active cloud to ground lightening was eye opening (I've seen y'all do similar many times over the years- this was probably the worst). They were the last 2 in before the microburst hit.
We still got in on time without flying through a thunderstorm on short final...
Us Deltoids have a reputation for a stick up our rear, and there are people that give that reputation cause. (looking at you, Hollywood)
In the same token, to deny WN types don't push it more than others is denying reality. Just a couple months ago, there was a storm covering up all 3 finals in ATL, and myself and UA said "no freaking way." 2 WN's said SURE!! Watching them penetrate that storm with very active cloud to ground lightening was eye opening (I've seen y'all do similar many times over the years- this was probably the worst). They were the last 2 in before the microburst hit.
We still got in on time without flying through a thunderstorm on short final...
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