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Old 12-18-2018, 09:01 AM   #331  
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It was about two months ago that we got shamed by a controller for not flying through the hole in the TS that DAL and AA just went through. It just didn’t look good to us, so we took the long way around. A few mins later AA said ours was the better choice. We don’t all see the same thing on our radar, and it depends on more than one factor.
Had same few years back. I told him, politely of course, I won’t tell you how to control your traffic, and in return, don’t tell me how to fly my jet.
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Old 12-18-2018, 06:08 PM   #332  
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When every other airline and airplane turned back, yet Delta continued into the approaching hurricane into the PR and took back again, they were hailed as heroes. If if it was SWA, you know they would be attacked for get'r done.

Also remember at MDW a Delta taking a SWA takeoff clearance off 04R even though the ATC clearly said 31C. That was another close call. Fast talking ATC for sure, but the runway announcement was clear. Stuff happens. NO airline is immune to incidents and accidents. The problem is when finger pointing starts at one particular airline while not acknowledging the same thing could have happened to their own airline.
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Old 12-19-2018, 05:28 PM   #333  
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When every other airline and airplane turned back, yet Delta continued into the approaching hurricane into the PR and took back again, they were hailed as heroes. If if it was SWA, you know they would be attacked for get'r done.

Also remember at MDW a Delta taking a SWA takeoff clearance off 04R even though the ATC clearly said 31C. That was another close call. Fast talking ATC for sure, but the runway announcement was clear. Stuff happens. NO airline is immune to incidents and accidents. The problem is when finger pointing starts at one particular airline while not acknowledging the same thing could have happened to their own airline.
Those 15 knot winds down the runway were really tough during the hurricane. I am amazed you believe what the press reports.
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Old 12-19-2018, 07:16 PM   #334  
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... How about all us CAs act professionally toward our colleagues...

Yeah, right. What fun would that be, huh?
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Old 12-19-2018, 07:34 PM   #335  
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80 just ****es me off. Im sorely tempted to stoop to his level and start posting widget incidents, then draw statistically significant conclusions about what kind of pilots they are. Damn tool.
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This thread is exactly why I stopped coming to this site. Even though there are a number of individuals making the case that we all occasionally make decisions we would like to re-evaluate in hindsight, there are an equal or larger number of folks casting stones in glass houses.


Why do we as intelligent professionals choose to come to a public forum and excoriate our colleagues? When the NTSB report comes out someone might actually be able to draw some credible conclusions about causal factors and judgement of the flight crew but before that report is available the individuals ready to hang the crew are acting like uninformed toddlers when snack time is delayed.


Grow up people and act like the professional aviators you claim to be by commenting on this professional pilot website. I pray that each and every one of us is able to never make a bad decision or God forbid have an accident or incident. I know that is an impossible dream so I will say that I hope that if and when you or one from your pilot group has a mishap you will enjoy a complete and total lack of Monday morning quarterbacking from the likes of this ill informed mob!
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Old 12-20-2018, 07:53 PM   #337  
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Why do we as intelligent professionals choose to come to a public forum and excoriate our colleagues?
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Simple: I'm a god because I work for the ONLY safe, professional company in the Universe. Also, I have a ginormous 'joystick' and a shiny hat... or is it the other way around?



I would love to see the accident/incident statistics based on Cycles rather than hours. It would be interesting to see if the companies that subcontract the bulk of their short hops fair better or worse than those who do all of their flying.


The truly sad thing about attacking the pilots is NOTHING is learned. But if one thinks of the incident with the mindset that the crew was trying to perform as perfectly as each of us think we perform, then we can come up with 'what ifs' and discuss them. Those 'what ifs' may have zilch to do with the incident, but they are good thought experiments.
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Old 01-02-2019, 10:41 PM   #338  
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Ha. There’s been more than one time in my life that I’ve said no feeking way I’d take that risk that delta is. Get over yourself. WN types don’t take more chances. The reputation about the stick isn’t about flying skills, lol.

It was about two months ago that we got shamed by a controller for not flying through the hole in the TS that DAL and AA just went through. It just didn’t look good to us, so we took the long way around. A few mins later AA said ours was the better choice. We don’t all see the same thing on our radar, and it depends on more than one factor.

The stick wasn't about flying skills. Please tell me you've seen our captain Hollywood??? Some stereotypes hold true, and it's worthwhile to try to mitigate them instead of defensively get butthurt and deny the existence. Guys I fly with routinely say they still see the GET R DONE behavior at WN consistently. I accept and try to change what we have in our culture... can you?

Nice decision, as holes going through en route storms tend to change by the minute. That doesn't change what myself and numerous others from many airlines have observed with WN being willing to "take a look" while others let y'all do what you do.

I know what I'm going to bet on with this report. (just to make the WN types even more defensive).
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Those 15 knot winds down the runway were really tough during the hurricane. I am amazed you believe what the press reports.
Believe your own hype. It wasn't the press reports, it was just fact. Everyone turned around except one.
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Old 01-12-2019, 07:40 PM   #340  
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Man, I'm glad there are so many perfect pilots on this site. If we just hang out awhile longer perhaps some of your exceptional judgment and skills will rub off on me.
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