SWA “rolled” off the runway in OMA
#61
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That’s no different than SWA. FOQA is alive and well, and so is a strict srabilized approach policy. I’m thinking you saw a turn or something above 1000’ that you’re calling an S turn on short final.
#64
Oh no, Southwest called tower and asked to do S-Turns and they did them...
#65
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Why? I thought that was very funny and appropriate. In fact, we’re on day two of three and both the FO and I have been incorporating SWAMAS into our approach briefings for comedic effect this trip because quite frankly the rate at which we run off of pavement is getting to be comical.
#68
I love Southwest. Love most of the culture. Love the service, and many complements to the employees and how they treat non-rev and jumpseaters.
When I was flying 1900’s, taking shortcuts, breaking off of Runway 32 and landing 3/4 of the way down 28L in PIT to avoid the taxiing, being put on the pararell taxiway so that we could taxi extremely fast we thought it was cool. We thought all the major pilots who rode on us and told us we were unsafe were full of crap. We were in the culture and could not see our problem. We never had an accident so we must know what we are doing, right? It was a huge culture shock when I went to my first large jet and had to become a professional pilot.
Perhaps a little of this exists at Southwest? The problem with this mentality is that in the right hands, 90 degree turns to final in El Paso at 100 feet is not incredibly dangerous. (Personally observed and at the time thought it was pretty cool). In the wrong hands, not so much.
To the posters who seem so offended, as long as that doesn’t represent you, then, ...sticks and stones... If it is you, then please stop, as I may have a loved one on your aircraft that day.
When I was flying 1900’s, taking shortcuts, breaking off of Runway 32 and landing 3/4 of the way down 28L in PIT to avoid the taxiing, being put on the pararell taxiway so that we could taxi extremely fast we thought it was cool. We thought all the major pilots who rode on us and told us we were unsafe were full of crap. We were in the culture and could not see our problem. We never had an accident so we must know what we are doing, right? It was a huge culture shock when I went to my first large jet and had to become a professional pilot.
Perhaps a little of this exists at Southwest? The problem with this mentality is that in the right hands, 90 degree turns to final in El Paso at 100 feet is not incredibly dangerous. (Personally observed and at the time thought it was pretty cool). In the wrong hands, not so much.
To the posters who seem so offended, as long as that doesn’t represent you, then, ...sticks and stones... If it is you, then please stop, as I may have a loved one on your aircraft that day.
#69
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WF8kE8Eby1Q
Braking action reported good immediately before landing. They reported it good during roll out. Tower asked them to take it to the end, and apparently there and upon further inspection by airfield management it was not good. Sounds like those SWA cowboys thought they could land with braking action good. I bet the check airman was showing off his high speed ice taxiing to indoctrinate the new FO in the daredevil culture, amirite?!?!
Braking action reported good immediately before landing. They reported it good during roll out. Tower asked them to take it to the end, and apparently there and upon further inspection by airfield management it was not good. Sounds like those SWA cowboys thought they could land with braking action good. I bet the check airman was showing off his high speed ice taxiing to indoctrinate the new FO in the daredevil culture, amirite?!?!
Last edited by Peacock; 01-21-2019 at 06:06 AM.
#70
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Perhaps a little of this exists at Southwest? The problem with this mentality is that in the right hands, 90 degree turns to final in El Paso at 100 feet is not incredibly dangerous. (Personally observed and at the time thought it was pretty cool). In the wrong hands, not so much.
The only time I’ve seen an approach that I went “whoa” at was a United heavy coming into SFO. Does that make United’s culture messed up? Nope. That’s an individual making a poor decision.
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