Ethiopian 737 MAX 8 crash
03-13-2019, 10:57 AM
#211
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Originally Posted by pangolin
While MCAS gets implicated potentially in ONE accident we don't know if that's the case in this other one. While I think MCAS might be a contributor the REAL cause maybe faultly AOA. Remember when that happens you get all sorts of warnings to deal with - and MCAS is a complication. That said there MAY be another, very different issue with the AP system in the Max. Check this link out:
https://apnews.com/0cd5389261f34b01a7cbdb1a12421e27
Problems with pitch down when the AP is engaged.
https://apnews.com/0cd5389261f34b01a7cbdb1a12421e27
Problems with pitch down when the AP is engaged.
03-13-2019, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
It is not utterly impossible that a software glitch could slip through the cracks during testing and certification. The complexity is so vast that no single human being can be familiar any more than a small subset of the millions of lines of code required.
03-13-2019, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyF35
I am no expert here, but it has been reported software issues delayed F35 program big time, if it can do to F35, it certainly can do to Max, in this increasingly software driven world.
03-13-2019, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
I defer to the judgment of the FAA and NTSB, who decided there was no reason to ground the airplane.
Then Trump comes along in his usual “bull in a china shop” way, ignoring all reasoning and expert opinions, and costs US companies hundreds of millions of dollars.
If you voted for this guy, you are a moron!
Then Trump comes along in his usual “bull in a china shop” way, ignoring all reasoning and expert opinions, and costs US companies hundreds of millions of dollars.
If you voted for this guy, you are a moron!
03-13-2019, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
President Trump has grounded the MAX 8 and 9.
Presumably everyone else will follow since the US is the certification authority.
Presumably everyone else will follow since the US is the certification authority.
Reporter: Are you afraid to fly on the 737 Max?
Local Bafoon: I'm terrified! There's so many people people saying they aren't safe! *wide-eyed terror*
Reporter: Do you think the FAA should ground the planes until they figure out the problem and a solution?
Bafoon: Yes definitely! The airlines are putting people's lives at risk for what? Profit? It's just money! It isn't worth the cost! Its people's lives! *stern indignation*
Reporter: Did you consider changing your flight or postponing your trip until the issues are resolved?
Bafoon: Yes but they wanted $75 to change my flight soooo... I guess I'm just going to risk it and hope for the best? *nervous laugh and a shrug*
Aaaand repeat ad infinitum. The traveling public
03-13-2019, 11:35 AM
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The whole inexperienced crew argument thing doesn’t hold much weight with me, all it does is ignore the problem. Would some more experience crews have reached a different outcome? Sure but these airlines have been flying different models of the 737 for years without issues like this. Two of these brand new planes falling out of the sky in 5 months isn’t normal. Whether it’s MCAS or AOA faults or whatever it’s not a good start and I really don’t think a plane going full nose down trim and auguring into the ground as soon as they’re airborne is a crew experience issue.
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