Ethiopian 737 MAX 8 crash
03-22-2019, 05:29 AM
#381
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
How many aircraft have you flown where the trim ran uncommanded for 10 full seconds?
And then continued again for another 10 seconds?
Agreed, especially for 10 seconds, much less multiple 10-second runs...
And then continued again for another 10 seconds?
Agreed, especially for 10 seconds, much less multiple 10-second runs...
03-22-2019, 05:50 AM
#382
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
How many aircraft have you flown where the trim ran uncommanded for 10 full seconds?
And then continued again for another 10 seconds?
Agreed, especially for 10 seconds, much less multiple 10-second runs...
And then continued again for another 10 seconds?
Agreed, especially for 10 seconds, much less multiple 10-second runs...
The it stops when YOU trim to counter it. Then is starts up again in ten seconds. Wash, rinse, repeat. Eventually you're way out of trim.
As I've said, I think US crews would be more inclined to say "WTF?!", turn all that shiate off, and fly the plane. But would prefer not to bet my arse on it.
No need to defend Boeing on this, it's indefensible. I'll be surprised if we don't see criminal charges related to the alleged regulatory oversight (I'll also be surprised if we see any actual convictions). Anticipate resignation of the head of BCA by Christmas at the latest.
03-22-2019, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
It doesn’t run continually. It might run a fraction of a second. It trims FURTHER a little bit and activates every 10 seconds.
03-22-2019, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Equating a military pilot training program with some ab-initio program to create auto-pilot cripples is hardly a valid comparison. Military training doesn't end with 200 hours and a set of wings. Pilots then continue on with specific a/c training programs before they are considered fully trained. They also wash out weaklings as opposed to giving multiple "do-overs" as long as someone is willing to keep paying the training bills.
You could make a very good civilian ab initio program modeled on the military program. Selective screening, unforgiving performance requirements, and training in turbine aircraft. But it would cost a lot, and the payout would have to be worth it to attract quality applicants... if you don't have that, then it's hard to be selective.
03-22-2019, 07:07 AM
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First time I've seen anything seeming to confirm what the software update will entail, which is exactly what I would expect:
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...ells-as-extras
Such an easy fix, can't believe it wasn't incorporated from the start...
After the upcoming April software update, the MCAS will be updated to check both sensors and to disable itself if there is “meaningful disagreement” between the two.
Such an easy fix, can't believe it wasn't incorporated from the start...
03-22-2019, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
First time I've seen anything seeming to confirm what the software update will entail, which is exactly what I would expect:
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...ells-as-extras
Such an easy fix, can't believe it wasn't incorporated from the start...
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...ells-as-extras
Such an easy fix, can't believe it wasn't incorporated from the start...
03-22-2019, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by rightside02
It’s not at all ... I am not as familiar with Airbus relationship and their government bodies...
If it’s like Boeing then I would say not different at all.
Not a jab at Airbus ... been flying one for 6ish years
If it’s like Boeing then I would say not different at all.
Not a jab at Airbus ... been flying one for 6ish years
Airliner sales is not a level playing field. In many ways, the American company Boeing is competing against the combined governments of the EU. Research shows Airbus' subsidies have an economic benefit of over $200 billion.
Last edited by ItnStln; 03-22-2019 at 10:27 AM.
03-22-2019, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ItnStln
Airbus Industries has to be viewed as an extension of the EU social welfare system - they build airplanes when there are no orders for them in order to offer full employment. I've seen pictures from a Gulfstream pilot with rows of white tail (unsold airplanes) at Hamburg, Germany and Toulouse, France. No American aircraft manufacturer could afford to do that, they don't start production until there is an order.
Airliner sales is not a level playing field. In many ways, the American company Boeing is competing against the combined governments of the EU. Research shows Airbus' subsidies have an economic benefit of over $200 billion.
Airliner sales is not a level playing field. In many ways, the American company Boeing is competing against the combined governments of the EU. Research shows Airbus' subsidies have an economic benefit of over $200 billion.
Social welfare my ...
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