Adlerdriver

If you were really trying to be fair, you wouldn't pose a question like this (below):
Clearly trying to imply that people have actually died because of MCAS

Sounds like an indictment of Malaysian aircraft maintenance, troubleshooting and follow-up procedures.

Certainly not stopping you from saying it though, is it?

Runaway stabilizer procedures in the 737 have remained pretty much unchanged since its first flight. The same can be said for pretty much any Boeing airliner.
1 - Turn off the autopilot to see if it's causing the problem.
2 - Oppose the trim manually with the yoke. If that stops it, you're done.
3 - If that doesn't work, then you turn off the stab trim cutout switches.

If MCAS is getting some kind of erroneous AOA signal and inputting an unwanted nose down pitch, guess what? Those procedures will stop it. If pilots at airline X get to step 2 and think they're good and MCAS starts another input after it's initial 10 second trim, then they go to step 3.

If you want to speculate about something, why not start with what position investigators in both of these crashes are going to find the stab cutout switches. If they're not "off", why? MCAS or poor procedures?

airbus300

From the investors business daily:

China has ordered Chinese airlines to ground Boeing 737 Max jets, China's Caijin said, according to Bloomberg.

EasternATC

Do you work for CNN? Seems like y'all have something in common....

Adlerdriver

Who cares? CNN and most 24-hour news sources are clueless. They report plenty of things wrong and eventually people figure it out.

Smooth at FL450

Maybe you should re-read your manuals...


https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-s...em-mcas-jt610/

Adlerdriver

All things considered, I think that's probably a wise move.

PlaneS

Forgive me for holding Boeing to the standard of notifying aircraft operators when they add a system to the aircraft that can have catastrophic consequences if it malfunctions.

You really love putting words in my mouth don't you?
Stating that an aircraft has been written up multiple times is a fact. You interpreting that as an "indictment" is on you. Take it for what it's worth, but don't blame me for your own misunderstanding.

Another good question to ask is if there's a system installed in your aircraft that, if malfunctioning, has the potential to induce an unusual attitude, wouldn't you want to know about that system? Wouldn't you want the manufacturer of the aircraft to tell your operator about that system so that you could know to look out for it? One single memo from Boeing to use the same procedures for this as for runaway trim might have made a difference.

That's just rich, apparently my speculation is too much and you call me out for it, but when a country bans an aircraft type from flying based on the same speculation, it's a wise move? Nice logical leap there.

rickair7777

You just said CNN got it wrong

Name User

I have tried to avoid our MAXs when commuting but for the first time I've just now purposely booked around the MAX. My wife has a full fare ticket she is booking and we are picking flights that avoid it as well.

I know it's early but why take a chance?

Adlerdriver

I guess I shouldn't expect all of you to read between the lines regarding my "wise" statement. I was referring to the limited experience and cultural issues found at many Chinese airlines along with pilots who spend only the first and last minute of each flight with the autopilot off. Given the choice of asking them to handle a non-standard situation that might require some hand flying or grounding the fleet and calling it good - I'd go with the grounding too.