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Old 03-10-2019, 06:21 PM
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I have tried to avoid our MAXs when commuting but for the first time I've just now purposely booked around the MAX. My wife has a full fare ticket she is booking and we are picking flights that avoid it as well.

I know it's early but why take a chance?
But driving to the airport, showering, crossing the street, eating a burger ... are safer than climbing into a 737?
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Old 03-10-2019, 06:35 PM
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So CNN is an aircraft accident investigation authority?
They got Scary Mary on the air in minutes, and as we know from Newt, it's not what the facts are, it's how you feel about them. Welcome to the post-fact world where reality is what you want it to be.
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Old 03-10-2019, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by marcal View Post
Not that this is the reason but it’s being reported that the FO had 200 hours. IMO no one with 200 hours should be in a control seat of a transport jet.


IDK, how many hours do most Lieutenants have when they finally hit the line? ETH training really isn’t much different. They just don’t do the extra fancy stuff like LAPES and the like.


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Old 03-10-2019, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by PlaneS View Post
Forgive me for holding Boeing to the standard of notifying aircraft operators when they add a system to the aircraft that can have catastrophic consequences if it malfunctions.
I'm not defending Boeings approach to putting MCAS on the Max and blowing off proper communication.

But, it's not accurate to say they added a system that can fail catastrophically. They didn't. That's my the point. MCAS has no more potential for "catastrophic consequences" than the basic stab trim system or autopilot control on a 737-200 in 1967. Any of those systems can malfunction and the results of an IMPROPERLY handled malfunction would be the same. Boeing's not going to add "If the failure is determined to be MCAS, then blah, blah, blah........ to the Runaway Stabilizer procedures because it doesn't matter. The symptoms and solution of some kind of MCAS failure are basically the same as any other stab related malfunction. A pilot wouldn't need to know why his aircraft was pitching down uncommanded - just that it is and there are long established, proven procedures that he's supposed to follow.

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You really love putting words in my mouth don't you? Stating that an aircraft has been written up multiple times is a fact. You interpreting that as an "indictment" is on you. Take it for what it's worth, but don't blame me for your own misunderstanding.
Yes, and after you stated that "fact", you connected that fact to the crash which you have been implying and even outright saying was caused by MCAS.
I think you need to look up the word "indictment" because you seem to be making my use of it much more than it means in this case.
All I'm saying is that multiple write ups on a trim system over multiple flights followed by what appears to be a trim related crash looks a lot worse for that airline's maintenance practices than the aircraft manufacturer.
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Old 03-10-2019, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
CNN is pretty much calling it two. Right or wrong, it's out there now.

well anybody in their right mind should consider the source...who believes CNN nowadays?

sadly, lots.
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Old 03-10-2019, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
All I'm saying is that multiple write ups on a trim system over multiple flights followed by what appears to be a trim related crash looks a lot worse for that airline's maintenance practices than the aircraft manufacturer.

Not sure that’s an accurate statement. Brand new aircraft are usually followed with warranties and support. My experience overseas is that customers will use everything that they are entitled to.



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Old 03-10-2019, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
But driving to the airport, showering, crossing the street, eating a burger ... are safer than climbing into a 737?
well ............yeah.

burgers dont have V speeds.?????? confused ???

as for showering...my shower is safer than any old airplane. I dont know about yours.
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Old 03-10-2019, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
But driving to the airport, showering, crossing the street, eating a burger ... are safer than climbing into a 737?
Well I have to drive to the airport, and eat, and shower. I don't have to ride in a MAX.
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Old 03-10-2019, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by OldWeasel View Post
My experience overseas is that customers will use everything that they are entitled to.
Your point is not clear, try again. Mine had nothing to do with warranties or support. I don't care who was actually doing the maintenance on the aircraft - only that WHOEVER that was appears to have failed on multiple occasions to diagnose and correct the problem.
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Old 03-10-2019, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
Your point is not clear, try again. Mine had nothing to do with warranties or support. I don't care who was actually doing the maintenance on the aircraft - only that WHOEVER that was appears to have failed on multiple occasions to diagnose and correct the problem.


Dude, scroll up. You placed onus on the airline’s practices and not the manufacturer. There was no provision your statement for maintenance performed by the manufacturers tech reps. Is that incorrect?


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