Originally Posted by Firefighter

I certainly am not a pilot. But I don’t believe I need to be one to tell who’s right from wrong in this situation. Judging by the responses, some individuals definitely know what they’re talking about, you can tell they know their way around a 737, and it shows. They’re basically arguing with someone who’s either bringing way too much emotion into it, using scenarios that didn’t happen. What I do understand, is that Boeing specifically said to not put the switches back for remainder of flight. And the pilots went against that procedure. Im sure Boeing will be blamed for some things in the final report, but I can assume the pilots will too. And if it is, it’s clear to me that the aircraft was in fact, flyable throughout the entire fiasco. But unfortunately the pilots made some errors. I feel bad for all involved as well as understanding the amount of pressure the pilots may have had, but in the end we simply cannot allow such pilots to fly. I sure would not board my flight if I knew beforehand that the pilots weren’t good under pressure. Perhaps there is a flaw with the training, that airlines are responsible for. Maybe many Airlines take advantage of the auto pilot system. Then again, both accidents did occur in two third world countries who are known for not regulating much. I sure won’t be flying with Ethiopia Air, and I definitely won’t be flying with Lion Air.

Originally Posted by Mesabah

You need to separate the crashes from the regulatory issues. Boeing is not going to face any judgement over the accidents, as they were clearly pilot error.

Originally Posted by Mesabah

You need to separate the crashes from the regulatory issues. Boeing is not going to face any judgement over the accidents, as they were clearly pilot error.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

“Clearly” pilot error. Well shoot, someone tell the European, Chinese, Africans, and Asians.

Originally Posted by METO Guido

So absolutely no love for these guys? Continuous hand flying through stick shaker at liftoff, stab runaway, flight director & PF airspeed unreliable. Thrust reduction fail at acceleration height, missed opportunity for corrective action at QRH step 3. Do I copy that right? 5 minutes.

Originally Posted by Mesabah

The aircraft was controllable till the reactivation of a malfunctioning system, which was against the checklist procedure. That's certainly an error no?

Originally Posted by METO Guido

Unable to overpower physics as the lawn dart gained momentum, I might have gone back to what appeared (trim switches) to work earlier too. Loss of situational awareness, it happens. Much better odds if you haven't been set up.

Just another pudknocker waiting. One hopeful a culture of impunity didn't override credible objections, setting the stage for tragic loss of life and capital. 'This isn't Russia is it Danny?'

Originally Posted by Mesabah

From the preliminary report, it sounds like they were focused on maintaining an assigned altitude, and heading. That may have been an additional workload contributing to the accident, it seems they forgot about airspeed in the process. From the FDR, it doesn't look like they touched the power levers at all.