Ethiopian 737 MAX 8 crash
#341
That's probably why US airline aviation is safer than all the rest. Even safer than European airlines by a measurable margin. A few exceptions which tend to hire the cream of their respective crops such as BA, LH, KL, QF.
Culturally in the US the SIC is a backup PIC. In many other places the CA is God and the SIC is just a switch monkey. If that's how you're raised and treated, it's hard to suddenly switch gears and rise to the occasion when needed.
As a PIC, you should always encourage mental engagement in decision making from your SIC... you're a planting a seed that may save your butt at harvest time.
#342
But runaway trim was ALWAYS defined to be continuous elevator trim motion. There was never any consideration of a runaway that would stop and then start up again. It wasn't realistically likely until MCAS, and of course nobody even knew about MCAS initially.
Elevator trim (typically actually stabilizer trim in transport aircraft) is the only trim of real concern. Other trims you can overpower, but in most jets you have two separate pitch control surfaces. The trim moves the entire H. stab, while the elevator control (ie yoke) moves just the elevator. If the stabilizer is grossly out of position even full elevator might not overcome it. Two notable accidents occurred because of catastrophic mechanical failure in the stab trim control mechanism (jackscrew), allowing the H. stab to move grossly out of normal position.
#343
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Some? A better adjective would probably be "Most".
That's probably why US airline aviation is safer than all the rest. Even safer than European airlines by a measurable margin. A few exceptions which tend to hire the cream of their respective crops such as BA, LH, KL, QF.
Culturally in the US the SIC is a backup PIC. In many other places the CA is God and the SIC is just a switch monkey. If that's how you're raised and treated, it's hard to suddenly switch gears and rise to the occasion when needed.
As a PIC, you should always encourage mental engagement in decision making from your SIC... you're a planting a seed that may save your butt at harvest time.
That's probably why US airline aviation is safer than all the rest. Even safer than European airlines by a measurable margin. A few exceptions which tend to hire the cream of their respective crops such as BA, LH, KL, QF.
Culturally in the US the SIC is a backup PIC. In many other places the CA is God and the SIC is just a switch monkey. If that's how you're raised and treated, it's hard to suddenly switch gears and rise to the occasion when needed.
As a PIC, you should always encourage mental engagement in decision making from your SIC... you're a planting a seed that may save your butt at harvest time.
#344
Some do, I've known several. All were dual citizens so they had an "in" at the entry level. If you're not a local citizen, you typically need US airline experience before you can get hired overseas, so several thousand hours in that case. To be an ex-pat CA you need PIC time in type.
#346
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Some? A better adjective would probably be "Most".
That's probably why US airline aviation is safer than all the rest. Even safer than European airlines by a measurable margin. A few exceptions which tend to hire the cream of their respective crops such as BA, LH, KL, QF.
Culturally in the US the SIC is a backup PIC. In many other places the CA is God and the SIC is just a switch monkey. If that's how you're raised and treated, it's hard to suddenly switch gears and rise to the occasion when needed.
As a PIC, you should always encourage mental engagement in decision making from your SIC... you're a planting a seed that may save your butt at harvest time.
That's probably why US airline aviation is safer than all the rest. Even safer than European airlines by a measurable margin. A few exceptions which tend to hire the cream of their respective crops such as BA, LH, KL, QF.
Culturally in the US the SIC is a backup PIC. In many other places the CA is God and the SIC is just a switch monkey. If that's how you're raised and treated, it's hard to suddenly switch gears and rise to the occasion when needed.
As a PIC, you should always encourage mental engagement in decision making from your SIC... you're a planting a seed that may save your butt at harvest time.
#347
That plus a detailed theory-heavy ground school and written test regimen is not a substitute for experience.
They don't use that system because it's better, they use it because it's CHEAPER. They don't have a significant pool of military and GA pilots to draw from, so the only way to get experienced pilots would be to pay for their experience.
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#349
The Germanwings FO nut job was a perfect example of their desperation.
Guy shouldnt have been anywhere near an airplane. But he fit right in over there.
I was on a European pilot forum at the time and as soon as I brought the subject up, they banned me. I wasnt alone. There was a British University professor who made the point with stats and statistical analysis, and they promptly banned her as well. They dont wanta talk about it.
As for American pilots not going for it: not buying that either. I would have swam to Europe for a low time right seat airline job.
Most would, imo.
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Selection based on what? High school grades? SAT scores?
That plus a detailed theory-heavy ground school and written test regimen is not a substitute for experience.
They don't use that system because it's better, they use it because it's CHEAPER. They don't have a significant pool of military and GA pilots to draw from, so the only way to get experienced pilots would be to pay for their experience.
That plus a detailed theory-heavy ground school and written test regimen is not a substitute for experience.
They don't use that system because it's better, they use it because it's CHEAPER. They don't have a significant pool of military and GA pilots to draw from, so the only way to get experienced pilots would be to pay for their experience.
How are “SAT” scores relevant in Europe?
Cheaper, no way.
Have you seen the selection process for European major airlines? It’s a multi day event with multiple psych evals, aptitude tests, interview panels, crm excercises etc. Chances of getting in with a fresh fATPL outside their ab initio programs are slim.
And in many cases, the airline pays for your training. Cheaper, heck no.
It’s a different training philosophy, most of the safest airlines in the world use it, so clearly it is working.
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