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Old 08-19-2019, 09:51 AM
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In this video there is a white streak extending up and to the left of the nose. It shows up at the first 10 seconds and then again at :58 to 1:20. WTF is that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_qCKuleUFQ
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Old 08-19-2019, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Dougdrvr View Post
In this video there is a white streak extending up and to the left of the nose. It shows up at the first 10 seconds and then again at :58 to 1:20. WTF is that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_qCKuleUFQ
Some pressurized fluid leaking out. Could be HYD fluid or even fuel coming from further back. Maybe even water from a lav/galley?
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Old 08-19-2019, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Some pressurized fluid leaking out. Could be HYD fluid or even fuel coming from further back. Maybe even water from a lav/galley?
I'm wondering if it's an ice inspection light or turn off light reflecting in the smoke? Hard to believe one would see that in daylight? Also would mean there is still power on the aircraft.
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Old 08-19-2019, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Dougdrvr View Post
I'm wondering if it's an ice inspection light or turn off light reflecting in the smoke? Hard to believe one would see that in daylight? Also would mean there is still power on the aircraft.
I was thinking it might a trick of the light with the camera, but it kind of looks like fluid to me. Could also maybe be O2 from the cockpit crew supply.
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Old 08-19-2019, 11:54 AM
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Interesting related data that I came across recently - most of the EMAS arrestments have been corporate (Part 91) turbine powered aircraft. Hmm... A common recurring theme is Unstabilized approaches, Lack of SOP discipline, “pride” getting in the way of Good ADM (reluctance to go-around) , and pilots not fully understanding landing performance data could all be contributing factors. 10kts fast on final = touchdown appx 1000ft further down the runway. Glad everyone survived, but this hull loss was 100% preventable IMHO. We can all learn from this ad hopefully not to repeat it.
Glad to know you have all the answers to the accident. I guess I can pass on the NTSB’s final report.
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Old 08-19-2019, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by captjns View Post
Glad to know you have all the answers to the accident. I guess I can pass on the NTSB’s final report.
And you are reading much too much into his post.
I didn't get that out of his post at all.

I recommend that you don't pass on the NTSB report.

Just remember where you heard it first!
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Old 08-19-2019, 12:28 PM
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This might be where PerfInit is getting his data. Eight bizjet arrestments, seven air carrier arrestments. Hardly definitive. I’d guess the recurring theme is high energy unstable approaches by all operators.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...as-arrestments

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Old 08-19-2019, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
This might be where PerfInit is getting his data. Eight bizjet arrestments, seven air carrier arrestments. Hardly definitive. I’d guess the recurring theme is high energy unstable approaches by all operators.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...as-arrestments
Weeeelllll... what's the ratio of airline to bizjet flights in the US? I'd be surprised if it's as low as 10 to 1, might be more like 100 to 1.

Alibi, bizjets fly more into smaller fields with shorter runways.
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Agreed on both of the above, for most part. With 14,000 bizjets in the US and the size of US NJ fleet, the 10:1 is far closer than 100:1. Also, those smaller airports usually don’t have EMAS, so we get headlines like Earnhardt.

The rolling 90-day monthly average is 380,000 bizjet operations, 12,700 a day.

https://aspm.faa.gov/apmd/sys/bjpdf/b-jet-201907.pdf

The first three arrestments were air carriers at JFK. How does a SAAB 340 overrun there?

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Old 08-19-2019, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
How does a SAAB 340 overrun there?
Yeah I saw that and was wondering too.
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