Earnhardt’s Citation Crash
 

Everyone safe...jet burned to the ground. Went off the departure end.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/dale-earnh...HuXF24mHlFAip8

landing halfway down a 4500' runway would do that...huge phail in airmanship if those reports are true.

Will be interested to get the final facts.

The crash is already included in the Elizabethton Airport Wikipedia link. Wow...

Dale Jr Crash
 

Why do these famous guys always have the worst luck with jets? Or the worst pilots? He’s lucky to have gotten out alive.

Reads like your asking the question in a rhetorical way. Present your thesis after your comprehensive study.

This guy did a pretty darn good job in the initial NTSB briefing:

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1dRKZmYPydVxB

TL/DR:

Firm landing, bounced twice, one gear collapsed. Apparently did not land long. So much for eye witness reports about landing halfway down the runway....

Maybe those eyewitnesses considering the beginning of the landing as starting once the airplane stopped bouncing down the runway. :confused:

Well that is when braking could begin.

I know nothing about these pilots or this accident, and am not making any judgements.

That said, there are a lot of rich people who hire their friends or "friends of friends" as pilots rather than the most qualified.

Did an investigation several years ago of one of our fighters that crashed near a lake with dozens of witnesses. Asked, “Was the jet on fire or smoking as it was coming down?”

Half of them “Oh yes! Big black smoke trail and lots of fire and noise!”

The other half “ Oh no! It just kind of came down with no smoke or fire or anything. Real quiet.”

Bouncing twice should have been a reason for a go around. Especially on a short runway. Bouncing on ones landing gear can
Make it collapse.

You can often get two-bounces for free! The third is usually going to cost you.

What are the chances DE was at the controls?

Well if he was, he can't really complain about the outcome.

Well that it was nuthin’ more than a lil’ rubbin’, and rubbin’s racen’!!!!!!!!

On the serious note because in APC land, people don’t often get jokes, it’s GOOD THAT EVERYONE MADE IT OUT OK.

There's a lot of truth in this statement. I was offered a job out of the blue for a NASCAR driver by a friend. I was qualified but after discussing the job with the driver, decided it wasn't my cup of tea.

Sadly he was killed a few years later in practice.

Ahahahahaha 🤣🤣 Yes and Yes

What I meant was a lot of these racing guys are into aviation.
Michael Schumacher (F1) flew helicopters.
Wouldn’t be unthinkable to give the famous guy some stick time once in a while. Maybe even land when the weather is nice.
I’m just curious about what appears to be a very clumsy accident for a “pro” crew.

Yep. It happens....

https://forums.jetcareers.com/thread...ntions.183089/

Excellent article, Excargo. Thanks. I was in TAC when that happened, but never got that kind of detailed info.

O’Malley was a well-liked and highly respected guy.

Interesting related data that I came across recently - most of the EMAS arrestments have been corporate (Part 91) turbine powered aircraft. Hmm... A common recurring theme is Unstabilized approaches, Lack of SOP discipline, “pride” getting in the way of Good ADM (reluctance to go-around) , and pilots not fully understanding landing performance data could all be contributing factors. 10kts fast on final = touchdown appx 1000ft further down the runway. Glad everyone survived, but this hull loss was 100% preventable IMHO. We can all learn from this ad hopefully not to repeat it.

In this video there is a white streak extending up and to the left of the nose. It shows up at the first 10 seconds and then again at :58 to 1:20. WTF is that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_qCKuleUFQ

Some pressurized fluid leaking out. Could be HYD fluid or even fuel coming from further back. Maybe even water from a lav/galley?

I'm wondering if it's an ice inspection light or turn off light reflecting in the smoke? Hard to believe one would see that in daylight? Also would mean there is still power on the aircraft.

I was thinking it might a trick of the light with the camera, but it kind of looks like fluid to me. Could also maybe be O2 from the cockpit crew supply.

Glad to know you have all the answers to the accident. I guess I can pass on the NTSB’s final report.:rolleyes:

And you are reading much too much into his post.
I didn't get that out of his post at all.

I recommend that you don't pass on the NTSB report.

Just remember where you heard it first! :D

This might be where PerfInit is getting his data. Eight bizjet arrestments, seven air carrier arrestments. Hardly definitive. I’d guess the recurring theme is high energy unstable approaches by all operators.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...as-arrestments

Weeeelllll... what's the ratio of airline to bizjet flights in the US? I'd be surprised if it's as low as 10 to 1, might be more like 100 to 1.

Alibi, bizjets fly more into smaller fields with shorter runways.

Agreed on both of the above, for most part. With 14,000 bizjets in the US and the size of US NJ fleet, the 10:1 is far closer than 100:1. Also, those smaller airports usually don’t have EMAS, so we get headlines like Earnhardt.

The rolling 90-day monthly average is 380,000 bizjet operations, 12,700 a day.

https://aspm.faa.gov/apmd/sys/bjpdf/b-jet-201907.pdf

The first three arrestments were air carriers at JFK. How does a SAAB 340 overrun there?

Yeah I saw that and was wondering too.

My guess it departed off the side due to crosswind and/or braking action.

They have EMAS surrounding the runway? I don’t think so.


Gf

I can think of 3 air carrier incidents where they swerved around the EMAS. One was Mike Pence's campaign plane 2016.

Oxygen bottle over pressure disc is around that area on a Citation.
Maybe....
Would seem kind of odd it would stay such a narrow stream.
2015 airplane, LED ice light maybe?

Glare from the sun on the windscreen. You can see the other “Ray” on the road at 1:05-1:08.

Oh yeah, I see that now. Think you're right.