Don't be this Guy...
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Don't be this Guy...
Don't be this guy (yes pilots have done this too...).
NEVER, EVER place any TSA contraband in a bag that you ever take to work. Not worth losing a multi-million dollar career over a brain fart.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...n-carry-on-bag
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Authorities say security officers found a loaded handgun in a flight attendant’s carry-on bag at a Florida airport.
The Orlando Sentinel reports that 28-year-old Joseph Brozyna was arrested Thursday and charged with carrying a concealed firearm and carrying a firearm in a prohibited place.
Police say the Frontier Airlines flight attendant was passing through security at Orlando International Airport when Transportation Security Administration agents found the .40 caliber pistol. An arrested report says Brozyna acknowledged that the gun was his. He told police he recently went on a road trip with his gun in the bag and forgot to remove it.
Officials say Brozyna’s concealed carry permit had been suspended.
Frontier Airlines says Brozyna has been suspended.
Brozyna is free on $2,750 bail. Jail records don’t list an attorney.
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Information from: Orlando Sentinel, http://www.orlandosentinel.com/
NEVER, EVER place any TSA contraband in a bag that you ever take to work. Not worth losing a multi-million dollar career over a brain fart.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...n-carry-on-bag
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Authorities say security officers found a loaded handgun in a flight attendant’s carry-on bag at a Florida airport.
The Orlando Sentinel reports that 28-year-old Joseph Brozyna was arrested Thursday and charged with carrying a concealed firearm and carrying a firearm in a prohibited place.
Police say the Frontier Airlines flight attendant was passing through security at Orlando International Airport when Transportation Security Administration agents found the .40 caliber pistol. An arrested report says Brozyna acknowledged that the gun was his. He told police he recently went on a road trip with his gun in the bag and forgot to remove it.
Officials say Brozyna’s concealed carry permit had been suspended.
Frontier Airlines says Brozyna has been suspended.
Brozyna is free on $2,750 bail. Jail records don’t list an attorney.
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Information from: Orlando Sentinel, http://www.orlandosentinel.com/
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Years ago at USAir we had a Captain that flew his own Cessna 180. He had a shaving kit that contained his survival gear including a .38 revolver loaded with tracer rounds. He had a similar looking shaving kit he took on his trips. While packing for an airline trip he got them mixed up. Going thru security they spotted the gun and all hell broke loose. It took over a year but common sense finally prevailed and a judge dismissed everything. Like the Captain of a 727 really needed a pistol to do something, especially one loaded with tracers.
#4
We’ve had multiple pilots lose their jobs over bringing a weapon to work accidentally. Wrong bag, forgetting to sanitize dual use luggage, etc. As soon as they hit the scanner to enter the secure area, they're done - period..dot. No second chance, no common sense judge, no time off without pay until the union gets your job back - done..bye.
#5
I think one of the problems with accidentally carrying a weapon through security happens in those states with "concealed carry" or very "lenient" laws regarding carriage of a firearm.
Please don't make this post a 2nd amendment rights argument or say that I am anti gun. I have 4 hand guns and I enjoy shooting but I live in a community and state where the laws on carriage are more strict. As a result I am never carrying a firearm in any luggage or on my person but only in a locked box or carrier in the car to and from a shooting facility.
I regularly traveled through Charlotte, the Known Crew-member Line, and there was one TSA agent who would always ask, any firearms? The question was always prior to crossing the yellow line. At first I thought what a ridiculous question, but later I realized that NC carry laws might be less stringent, and a person can legally carry a concealed weapon right up to that point.
I asked him about it later and found he was a strong gun rights guy and didn't want anyone who was used to carrying a weapon in a bag or on his person to get into trouble. He stated that he has had several people thank him. One guy backed up and called his wife who came out the the airport and took the gun and saved him fines and legal trouble. He was legal as long as he didn't attempt to carry the weapon into the secure area.
I don't know the exact details of these incidents and don't want to anger concealed carry adherents. If you live in a state and locality where carrying a firearm is legal, and you do so regularly, you are probably more likely to forget you have it when you go to the airport for work
Please don't make this post a 2nd amendment rights argument or say that I am anti gun. I have 4 hand guns and I enjoy shooting but I live in a community and state where the laws on carriage are more strict. As a result I am never carrying a firearm in any luggage or on my person but only in a locked box or carrier in the car to and from a shooting facility.
I regularly traveled through Charlotte, the Known Crew-member Line, and there was one TSA agent who would always ask, any firearms? The question was always prior to crossing the yellow line. At first I thought what a ridiculous question, but later I realized that NC carry laws might be less stringent, and a person can legally carry a concealed weapon right up to that point.
I asked him about it later and found he was a strong gun rights guy and didn't want anyone who was used to carrying a weapon in a bag or on his person to get into trouble. He stated that he has had several people thank him. One guy backed up and called his wife who came out the the airport and took the gun and saved him fines and legal trouble. He was legal as long as he didn't attempt to carry the weapon into the secure area.
I don't know the exact details of these incidents and don't want to anger concealed carry adherents. If you live in a state and locality where carrying a firearm is legal, and you do so regularly, you are probably more likely to forget you have it when you go to the airport for work
#6
Last time my bag got flagged we’d flown Hazmat.
I go home, drop my bag in the spare bedroom and don’t even mix n match clothes.
Laundry gets done and tossed back in same room till go-day.
They shouldn’t issue concealed carry permits to FA’s anyway.
I go home, drop my bag in the spare bedroom and don’t even mix n match clothes.
Laundry gets done and tossed back in same room till go-day.
They shouldn’t issue concealed carry permits to FA’s anyway.
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ATL was another one that had it happen fairly often, air crew or passengers. Yeah, keep things separate.
There may be no ill intent, but trying to untangle the infraction isn’t easy these days. With some locations it may be almost impossible.
There may be no ill intent, but trying to untangle the infraction isn’t easy these days. With some locations it may be almost impossible.
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If you wife put HER gun in your gym bag which you unknowingly took to the airport, then you'd get off.
But if YOU put YOUR gun in YOUR bag and then forgot to remove it, they can call that "should have known" and get a conviction. Especially in a gun-hating jurisdiction.
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General standard is that to be convicted you had to know you were committing a crime, or should have known. That last is the kicker.
If you wife put HER gun in your gym bag which you unknowingly took to the airport, then you'd get off.
But if YOU put YOUR gun in YOUR bag and then forgot to remove it, they can call that "should have known" and get a conviction. Especially in a gun-hating jurisdiction.
If you wife put HER gun in your gym bag which you unknowingly took to the airport, then you'd get off.
But if YOU put YOUR gun in YOUR bag and then forgot to remove it, they can call that "should have known" and get a conviction. Especially in a gun-hating jurisdiction.
You’re either responsible enough to own a firearm or you’re not. It ain’t rocket science. If complacency bites you, you’re either not taking the situation seriously or maybe you own too many weapons. I’m not interested in excuses and I sure don’t want to fly with someone who can’t manage that responsibility - doesn’t give me much confidence they’ll bring their A-game to the cockpit either.
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