rickair7777

Looks like it was IRGC, no real surprise there.

Name User

The Iranian people in general are pro-western and (used to) like us. Doing what we did further serves to unite them against the west.

They aren't Muslim, they are Persian which is different.

Iran wants nukes for the same reason North Korea does, they are tired of being pushed around. You think we would've killed their general had they had a cache of nuclear weapons? Ha.

But Americans are gonna American and jump and on the chest pounding bandwagon (examples above).

As far as attacking our embassy goes, that would be an issue internally in the country it happened in IMO. If the embassy can't be protected, it shouldn't be there.

Iraq is now asking us to leave permanently. This is going to have long term blowback.

Our plan of attack is beyond humorous. Remember we started all of this after 9/11. The hijackers were Saudi's. Iran and SA are enemies. Yet we are still "friends" with SA and in a sort of proxy war with Iran.

Only in America.

kaputt

I'll let others engage you on the other points, but Iranians are most certainly a majority Muslim. Being Muslim means you follow Islam, and has nothing to do with ethnicity.

You are correct that Iranians are Persian. What they are not, is Arab.

rickair7777

Obviously I know that very well. But the large majority are Shia muslims, with minority Sunni, Christian, Jew, Zorastrian, etc. Plus some non-persian ethnic groups including Arabs and Kurds.

But their persian-ness sure doesn't keep them from dreaming about reviving a (Shia) caliphate. They want the US out because they (the regime) could then roll up all of their gulf neighbors and rule the ME.

Sure we would have. Their general was operating in a third country conspiring to kill Americans with no declared war, ie state-sponsored terror. That particular general has been murdering Americans in an undeclared war since at least 2008 (unfortunately somebody set a bad precedent and let him get away with it). He has even killed on US soil, but was smart enough to stick to Iranian refugee/agitators. Although he *almost* succeeded in bombing a power-lunch restaurant in DC a few years ago. He was targeting a Saudi but would have also killed, wounded, or endangered some DC elites, potentially members of congress or senior executives depending on who was having lunch that day.

I'm no Trump fan but he sure got this one right (I'm 100% confident Esper and Pompeo were behind this one).


100% wrong. Embassies are sovereign territory. It's a fine distinction but a very important one. It's what got them in trouble in the first place.



If you hate America so much why don't you apply for asylum in one of the peace-loving utopian societies you keep fawning over?

tomgoodman

That was made emphatically clear by an Iranian in our UPT class.
When somebody asked him a question about the Shah, he clammed up and whispered “Shhhh...SAVAK”.

badflaps

I think one of the Shah's kids went through UPT.

kaputt

Large amounts of anti-govt protestors out in the streets in Iran right now.

galaxy flyer

Off topic, but Name User could study the long history of Persians violating the long-established “rights of embassy”. Goes back to Genghis Khan who taught them a lesson after killing his ambassadors.

GF

rickair7777

I've trained Arab princes myself. If you could fly military hardware just for the asking, why not? For the country in question though they were smart about it... even princes had to excel in crewed aircraft before they let them anywhere near the fast movers.

Name User

Yep meant they aren't Arab.