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MooseMuss 02-14-2021 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by TheRotorTrash (Post 2968497)
Having the ability to hover means you are able to fly as slow as you want, all the way down to zero. As far as practical/operational instrument airspeed It’s aircraft and SOP dependent. We typically flew the approach at 90 KIAS in the H-1. Cruising IFR we’d pull around 120 KIAS. You can fly around at 5 knots if you were so inclined, but there isn’t much utility in it.

Been awhile but my experiences in poor visibility / no visible horizon flying at very low forward airspeeds approaching a hover were challenging at best to scary at worst. Vertigo, somatogravic & somatogyral illusions, etc. As a point of reference I flew the AH-1 and have logged plenty of low "I Follow Roads" time as well as plenty of tactical low vis low and slow flying. Still alive, somewhat due to my flying a multi pilot aircraft in those conditions :-O

rickair7777 02-14-2021 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by MooseMuss (Post 3195013)
. Still alive, somewhat due to my flying a multi pilot aircraft in those conditions :-O

That's significant. The mil does a lot of that kind of flying and essentially all of it is with two crew. The only ops I can ever even recall being done single pilot is the death egg, in certain VMC situations.

Single pilot helo IMC sounds challenging to me.

Gone Flying 02-14-2021 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3195033)
That's significant. The mil does a lot of that kind of flying and essentially all of it is with two crew. The only ops I can ever even recall being done single pilot is the death egg, in certain VMC situations.

Single pilot helo IMC sounds challenging to me.

ok I gotta ask...what is that?

rickair7777 02-15-2021 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3195173)
ok I gotta ask...what is that?


MH-6

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ittle_Bird.jpg

MooseMuss 02-15-2021 10:29 AM

NSDQ
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Gone Flying 02-15-2021 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3195363)

nice, that looks like fun. although by you calling it a death egg, I’m guessing it has a reputation

Arturito 02-15-2021 12:13 PM

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/15/96769...iation-crashes

No mention of the price but it would be a great tool for flight schools.

rickair7777 02-15-2021 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3195454)
nice, that looks like fun. although by you calling it a death egg, I’m guessing it has a reputation

It's a reference to the payload, not the aircraft. The aircraft is fine.

The payload is special operators, often of the top-tier variety, conducting direct-action ops.

hydrostream 02-16-2021 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3195033)
That's significant. The mil does a lot of that kind of flying and essentially all of it is with two crew. The only ops I can ever even recall being done single pilot is the death egg, in certain VMC situations.

Add National Training Center OH-58 flying to your list. I spent lots of time flying solo in that bird, often using NVG in red illum. Not an assignment I would have been comfortable with as a new aviator.

I’ll never forget the time I was flying alone 2000 feet up over Coyote Lake, looking out the open door at my skid, and something touched my arm. Just about jumped out of the bird! I looked over and the seat cushion next to me had come unbuttoned and was floating under the shoulder belts.

That was only a few years ago. Sadly they’re flying Lakotas these days.


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