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AirBear 09-19-2020 08:08 PM

737 Pilots Struggled to Control Jet (MEL AP)
 
https://www.flightglobal.com/safety/...nJrvk.facebook

Scary. I'm an advocate of using the autopilot to reduce workload but then I spent a fair amount of time flying 1960's and 1970's era aircraft so I was fine hand flying.

Adlerdriver 09-19-2020 09:48 PM

Children of magenta. It's only going to get worse.

ZippyNH 09-20-2020 09:53 AM

https://thepointsguy.com/news/pilots...out-autopilot/

Beech Dude 09-20-2020 11:31 AM

European puppy mill flight schools teaching programming and button jamming. The phrase "trust the automation" is most likely heard much more than let's do "another hand flown, raw data, non-precision again." Too many places are teaching automation first, then the bare, bare minimum of hand flying these days. It is becoming a crutch instead of a tool.

flydrive 09-20-2020 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by Beech Dude (Post 3132693)
European puppy mill flight schools teaching programming and button jamming. The phrase "trust the automation" is most likely heard much more than let's do "another hand flown, raw data, non-precision again." Too many places are teaching automation first, then the bare, bare minimum of hand flying these days. It is becoming a crutch instead of a tool.

Sim time is expensive. Unfortunately, this means everyone will dedicate as little training time as possible and train to the checkride and not much farther, which means very little time hand flying. It's true everywhere. At least here in the US, we have our primary training to fall back on somewhat, but a transport category jet handles a little differently than a 172.

TransWorld 09-20-2020 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 3132370)
Children of magenta. It's only going to get worse.

Children of the magenta. Spot on.

firefighterplt 09-20-2020 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by Beech Dude (Post 3132693)
European puppy mill flight schools teaching programming and button jamming. The phrase "trust the automation" is most likely heard much more than let's do "another hand flown, raw data, non-precision again." Too many places are teaching automation first, then the bare, bare minimum of hand flying these days. It is becoming a crutch instead of a tool.

Preach.

When hand flying an otherwise full-up jet without a flight director is a hairy deed that you use to regale your buddies over beers, you may want to take a good, hard look at your training.

TransWorld 09-21-2020 06:46 PM

For those who have not seen Children of the Magenta, or what to refresh your memory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5_GENu6aqg

742Dash 09-22-2020 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by Beech Dude (Post 3132693)
European puppy mill flight schools teaching programming and button jamming. The phrase "trust the automation" is most likely heard much more than let's do "another hand flown, raw data, non-precision again." Too many places are teaching automation first, then the bare, bare minimum of hand flying these days. It is becoming a crutch instead of a tool.

I think that we passed that point around 2005. Today, for too many pilots, automation is a Jesus nut.

Arturito 09-30-2020 06:54 AM

ONE thread above :
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/s...dt-mishap.html

Non-puppy mill, non-european, locally grown and bred pilots, lowest cloud at 4700' agl, wind calm (in other words perfect VFR conditions). Who was talking about mastering the basics ?

Let's not pump our chest out too much shall we ?


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