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NTSB releases details from skydiving plane crash that killed 11 at Dillingham Airfield | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

firefighterplt

So...pilot with a history of flathatting, shady A&P who refused to provide logbooks, business operating without necessary permits.

Man, I’m surprised something like
this happened.

TiredSoul

Cool pilots do cool sh*t all the time, “cause it’s cool and nobody wants to be a p*ssy and call them out on it.
Then there’s a smoking hole.

UnusualAttitude

https://convergentperformance.com/wp...es_of_Blue.pdf

rickair7777

The drop zone is the perfect place for guys like that... at least their pax *might* be able to bail out.

Elevation

I was thinking about this and other events. Why do we keep making the same, fatal mistakes?

From an airmanship perspective loss of control in flight has dogged pilots independent of location or background since before we understood the aerodynamic spin to today when we have envelope protection, etc.

From a regulatory/management perspective clear warnings have gone unheeded since the 1920s through to today.

Are we failing to learn? Are we failing to apply our knowledge? Why do we keep falling for slight variations on a couple of age-old combinations of human factors, economics and physics?

Seriously. I'm not asking a rhetorical question. Does someone smart have insights?

neverposts

Sure here is some insight. When was the last time pushing the envolope in an airplane was a good idea...

rickair7777

In better-organized (ie expensive) flight departments in 91, 135, fracs, 121 they have supervision and usually a crew operation, and usually methodical hiring processes.

I wouldn't say "we" keep making the same mistakes... higher-end professional crews usually don't, and even private pilots have better statistics now since the FAA has been emphasizing ADM, risk management, etc in 91 training and recurrent.

In low-end GA/91 especially, there is little screening for poor attitudes or even personality disorders that can lead to the kind of repeat-behavior that will eventually catch up with you. Also often not much, if any, adult supervision. So people who have bad traits will tend to settle out there.

This wasn't typical "loss of control", this looks more like "Reckless AF". The guy had been told.

JamesNoBrakes

These usually boil down to lack of management oversight over the operations. Either management didn't know this was happening, or didn't care. Hiring procedures, FOQA and engine parameters, line checks, and other controls can reign this stuff in, as long as management cares. The smaller the operation, usually the less oversight there is. Regulatory bodies are usually fond of putting tighter controls in place, but that requires passing laws and making new regulations, so it usually comes to a screeching halt. Regulatory bodies are required to do cost analysis and the rules can't put people out of business...even if they were shady operators. Not everyone thinks more rules is the right answer. People are fallible and any organization that has no management oversight or controls will "drift" over time and what becomes normalized will eventually be well outside of what a reasonable person can recognize.

firefighterplt

Testosterone.