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rickair7777 02-10-2021 07:58 AM

Prelim sounds like mismanaged AT failure...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN2AA07H

sourdough44 02-14-2021 02:30 AM

Not trying to heavily armchair QB, but this plane seemed very flyable. With one engine & some flight controls(hydraulic assisted) one should be able to get back to a runway. They may of had much more than that. No I wasn’t there, so WTHDIK.

takingmessages 02-14-2021 05:29 PM

Could it be something like China Airlines Flight 006?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_006

Texasbound 02-19-2021 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by sourdough44 (Post 3194926)
Not trying to heavily armchair QB, but this plane seemed very flyable. With one engine & some flight controls(hydraulic assisted) one should be able to get back to a runway. They may of had much more than that. No I wasn’t there, so WTHDIK.

I would recommend not reading a "news" article if you want good information. They tend to leave out the boring details, and the details are important.

There was nothing wrong with the engine. It was the Auto Throttle malfunctioning. Here is the report, it is missing some key information, but they can get away with that in a preliminary report.

PK-CLC Preliminary Report.pdf (dephub.go.id)

Texasbound 11-10-2022 05:49 AM

Indonesia blames 2021 jet crash on mechanical issues, pilot complacency (msn.com)

dera 11-13-2022 02:07 PM

"Complacency" sounds better than incompetence. The autothrottle pulled the other engine down to 34% while the other engine stayed at 92%. This led to loss of control.

I wonder how these clowns would have handled an engine failure.

rickair7777 11-14-2022 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3531157)

I wonder how these clowns would have handled an engine failure.

They might have had some bells and whistles to wake them up in that case. Sounds a bit like the typical overseas tendency to try to fly out of UAS with the automation.

Obvious failures in basic airmanship, but an un-annunciated rollback (on one engine) isn't a good thing either.

dera 11-14-2022 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3531468)
They might have had some bells and whistles to wake them up in that case. Sounds a bit like the typical overseas tendency to try to fly out of UAS with the automation.

Obvious failures in basic airmanship, but an un-annunciated rollback (on one engine) isn't a good thing either.

Is it an un-annunciated rollback if the other thrust lever is at max thrust and other at idle? Also the A/T disconnected which (I believe?) causes a bell or a whistle.

All they had to do is push the thrust lever up.

ShyGuy 11-15-2022 01:37 AM

Is there a link to the final report?

Texasbound 11-15-2022 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3532016)
Is there a link to the final report?

https://knkt.go.id/Repo/Files/Lapora...nal-Report.pdf


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