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TurbineBlade 03-03-2021 01:45 AM

Frontier deice incident BNA
 
This, of course, could have killed a whole plane load of people. Someone needs to be locked up for awhile to think about the error of their ways.

https://onemileatatime.com/frontier-...ophic-deicing/

Bat2210 03-03-2021 03:00 AM

In my day a pilot would have gone back and visually inspected the wings.

123494 03-03-2021 03:08 AM

Practically speaking, how could any of us catch this before departing? At least in the plane I fly, there is no way I can get a good enough view of the wings to confirm they’re clean. We’re not trained to leave the cockpit and look out one of the windows. What else can we do other than put our trust in these de-ice crews?

Hogcapt 03-03-2021 03:23 AM


Originally Posted by 123494 (Post 3201920)
Practically speaking, how could any of us catch this before departing? At least in the plane I fly, there is no way I can get a good enough view of the wings to confirm they’re clean. We’re not trained to leave the cockpit and look out one of the windows. What else can we do other than put our trust in these de-ice crews?


is a “pre takeoff contamination check” not required before departure? It is at my airline.

CBreezy 03-03-2021 03:28 AM


Originally Posted by Hogcapt (Post 3201924)
is a “pre takeoff contamination check” not required before departure? It is at my airline.

You have to go back and look at the wings every time you deice? It hasn't been that way at the 3 airlines I worked at

sailingfun 03-03-2021 03:30 AM


Originally Posted by Hogcapt (Post 3201924)
is a “pre takeoff contamination check” not required before departure? It is at my airline.

It is not required at any major airline if the deice crew has certified the aircraft free of all contaminants and the holdover time determined by the deice report has not been exceeded or voided by a precip change. It can be done at Delta for any reason if the flight crew feels it’s warranted.

Bat2210 03-03-2021 03:34 AM

The flight attendant caught it. After deicing a pilot visually inspecting the upper surface and leading edge of the wing was required. Walking back to row 20 and looking right and left.

Gone Flying 03-03-2021 03:34 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3201925)
You have to go back and look at the wings every time you deice? It hasn't been that way at the 3 airlines I worked at

May my regional, if within the HOT, you had to be able to see clearly the part of the wing they stared the de ice procedure on. Since they start with the left wing the CA could look over his/her shoulder and see the end of the left wing. If you could not clearly see the wing, you had to do a pre takeoff contamination check.

If you were unsure or the HOT had expired you did a “pre takeoff contamination check” where one of you went back, asked the people in the exit row to move, and visually inspect both wings from the exit row.

Grumpyaviator 03-03-2021 03:38 AM

Read the comments after that article, they’re ridiculous. I wonder if we’ll see similar here. Anywhere I’ve worked a visual inspection by the flight crew is only required if holdover is exceeded or the precip type/intensity changes.

We did do a pre-take off check from the cockpit during icing conditions regardless because a portion of the wing was visible, but left the cockpit for pre-take off contamination check only for the above conditions.

RustyChain 03-03-2021 03:46 AM

I believe the flight crew discovered the contamination during the "pre-takeoff check". I can't find the memo now.


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