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rickair7777 07-19-2021 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by WacoQCF (Post 3265890)
Can you though? The Navy still hold a line on their subs that they can submerge “greater than 500’” or something like that - so they likely will not jump on he news to talk about capabilities.

They are intentionally vague for obvious reasons.

I didn't say they couldn't, I said they wouldn't.


Originally Posted by WacoQCF (Post 3265890)
It’s a great opportunity for training and use of equipment

For that reason you might find mil assets doing things which are not in their usual mandate.

But in this case they would utilize regular navy diving/salvage assets, that's been done before. I worked with navy guys who dove on TWA 800.

They would not use classified assets such as attack subs, DDS, minisubs unless it was to save lives in immediate danger. Those are national or SOCOM assets.


Originally Posted by WacoQCF (Post 3265890)
the news never identified who took those photos at 800’ depth - my guess if the locally based Navy Dive and Salvage Unit. That’s what they do, and it’s in their backyard.

Very likely MDSU-1 using an ROV. But they don't use subs, DDS, minisubs, etcs. That's SEAL hardware.



Originally Posted by WacoQCF (Post 3265890)
You could be right...just saying.

Having worked extensively in that field with all of that hardware I'm quite sure I'm right. A nuclear attack sub is not a safe or economic platform for routine recovery/salvage diving, compared to a purpose-built salvage ship. They would also risk compromising classified info.

It is common for attack subs to transit in and out of HI with a DDS attached... SDVT-1 is based there.

But nobody saw a DSRV... those are long retired and in museums.

4dalulz 07-19-2021 09:40 PM

Seamor Marine and the USCG are the ones doing ROV and recovery work. Get outta here with this idea that a SSN is picking up pieces of a cargo plane.

CPT John Luke P 07-29-2021 04:14 PM

Rhodes Express/Transair Hawaii
 
737-200 N810TA was number 427 off the assembly line back in July 1975. The engines were old and worn out. Even at REDUCED THRUST setting for Take Off the EGT gauges were deep in the yellow sometimes evenpassing the red line. Management at Transair states “that is not a reason to abort a take off”. So exceeding engine limitations in an attempt to achieve normal performance is ok?

Maintenance is horrible! Chief pilot is a bully (to put it nicely) DO is totally worthless! Owner is evil!
planes are so old they are literally falling out of the sky employees get threatened on a daily basis to fly old broken down unsafe airplanes. Only go there to work if you do not value your life and if you are so much of an aviation ***** you are willing to sell your soul… So if you have a DUI, have been fired from everywhere else or if you have a record of hijacking or air piracy you can get a job there. I hope the FAA shuts them down permanently. But they’ll be back in business in a few months, they’ll change some personnel around, operate under yet another certificate and be making money so the owner can get another new car. Cockroaches like this place will always manage to survive.

CPT John Luke P 07-31-2021 10:56 PM

Fuel exhaustion? Nope old worn out engines!
 

Originally Posted by AirBear (Post 3258229)
Interview with the Coast Guard Helicopter Pilots who rescued the 737 pilots. One of them mentioned they saw fuel in the water so it's not sounding like fuel exhaustion. The 2nd link is part 2 where they interview the Flight Mech and Rescue Swimmer:

https://youtu.be/z7s-yxH2xHQ

https://youtu.be/nZJPRAkyIRw

the pilots were so covered in fuel in the water (it floats remember straining fuel in a Cessna?) the other people that rode in the elevator at the hospital were throwing up from the fumes. And they were floating/swimming hanging onto the wreckage for almost an hour before there were rescued. As is usual in TransAir fashion the ELT’s did not work (like so many other components in those planes) it took the CH that long to locate them...in the ocean, miles from shore on a moonless night under a BRK 2400 cloud layer.
good thing they made it out. I’m sure they had to have been knocked out at least for a few seconds. Water was already pouring into the cockpit before they could open the windows.
Of course management is blaming the pilots, after bullying them to continue to fly unsafe aircraft. The June 13 FAA shutdown of the maintenance department had absolutely nothing to do with this engine failure (ROLLS EYES!) and none of the pilote
were made aware of that little tidbit of information until the locoa
news released that July 13...
But to be fair, in the benevolence of the owner and management (which bullied pilots in daily basis if you recall from above) is willing to allow the captain that handled the emergency as good as he could have to come back in property as an FO...wow!

So LMK if you want a job there, I’m still good friends (just kidding these people are not worthy to be friends of anyone) with the CP and many of the pilots that went along with management and blamed the pilots and let the maintenance and management get away with almost murder. Granted some of those pilots can NOT work anywhere else, DUI’s, previous FAA investigations, fired from other places, etc. , some are just fully committed to living in Hawaii and will
never leave, wearing those flower lei handcuffs I guess. But the rest that chose to continue to work there are
worse than scabs IMHO. They betrayed their fellow pilots in a life and death matter. I hope no one else treats
them the same way they treated these two pilots when it happens to them next time (and at Transair that will be soon)


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