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Old 07-02-2021, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
OK so she was set up a little bit. But hold all taxis and departures. Manage arrivals by holding if possible or long vectors.

And where was her backup? I know they don't do solo shifts, how long does it take to get somebody from the break room?
Naw, I’m with the controller on this one. I think she did a good job.

Engine failure? Ok, no big deal, happens frequently enough. No reason to stop everything.

I listened to the entire recording, I didn’t hear anyone declare a dual engine failure.

Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here. Glad everyone’s getting their exercise in.

Glad everyone made it out. Speedy recovery for the two pilots.
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Old 07-02-2021, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by captive apple View Post
Yes she was task saturated due to min staffing. The point is will the FAA learn anything from this experience?
The cycle constantly repeats itself.

Bad accident, FAA finds they didn't have enough staff or oversight, they ask congress for (and get) more money to address it, beef up staffing, create more positions, etc.

Years later, when bean-counters come by, they figure since bad things haven't happened in a while that said positions and changes are no longer necessary, and it's back to square one.

It is the way of things.
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Old 07-02-2021, 06:32 PM
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As far as only getting the “orange boxes”, this turd is from 1975.
Have the data recorders ever been updated or were they still the aluminum foil type?
Is there a requirement to update those things to newer technologies or is it one of those regs that starts with “certificated after 1979”?
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Old 07-02-2021, 08:24 PM
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250 feet maybe. 250 fathoms is not exactly a piece of cake, would require ADS diving. So $$$. And hoisting a plane up from depth is not cheap in any case, need a specialized salvage ship, barge, and tug.

They could get the orange boxes at a more reasonable cost, maybe even with an advanced ROV.



Documents that confirmed bad mx would be informative. But documents which "confirmed" good mx are not necessarily definitive.
My post was 100% sarcasm.

It could be in 15,000 ft of water, luckily it's not. Still gonna be a bear.

Also, I'm sure the airplane was a highly polished turd. The only people flying -200s should be 3rd-world s##tholes, and even they manage to put brand new metal in the dirt.
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Old 07-02-2021, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by gringo View Post
Naw, I’m with the controller on this one. I think she did a good job.

Engine failure? Ok, no big deal, happens frequently enough. No reason to stop everything.
If she's too busy to let the emergency aircraft finish it's radio xmits, then that's a reason to stop something.
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Old 07-02-2021, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
As far as only getting the “orange boxes”, this turd is from 1975.
Have the data recorders ever been updated or were they still the aluminum foil type?
Is there a requirement to update those things to newer technologies or is it one of those regs that starts with “certificated after 1979”?
Whether they bother to try to recover anything might depend on what they can conclude after talking to the crew.
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Old 07-02-2021, 08:45 PM
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After listening to the interviews with the CG crew it was a really close call for 1 of the pilots. He was hanging onto the 737's tail when the jet suddenly submerged. The pilot starting drowning, the rescue swimmer got to him just in time. One of the pilots (I suspect it was this one) is in critical condition in ICU, the other is in serious condition. It sounds like the jet broke up on impact. The 2nd pilot was clinging to a cargo container and by the time the swimmer got to him a Fire Rescue boat had arrived so he took the pilot over to it since they had a backboard and more people to help him.

The Rescue Swimmer was impressive. Said he'd been in the Coast Guard for 18.5 years so figure mid to upper 30's and there didn't appear to be an ounce of fat on him. Those folks have to stay in tip top shape.
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Old 07-02-2021, 09:49 PM
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Mayday Mayday Mayday… if you listen to the controller she didn’t hear the “engine failure” call until the aircraft was flying SSW… when she finally was clued they were an emergency aircraft she gave him immediate clearance to runway 4. The controller did a solid job… I’m guessing the pilots wished they had not extended the downwind to run checklists… with the good engine smoking. In the end the pilots were pretty cool headed… glad everyone made it out ok.
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Old 07-02-2021, 10:21 PM
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OK so she was set up a little bit. But hold all taxis and departures. Manage arrivals by holding if possible or long vectors.

And where was her backup? I know they don't do solo shifts, how long does it take to get somebody from the break room?
20 seconds maybe? No doubt the other person would have taken over coordination. There's a long checklist of people and facilities to notify and he certainly would have been going through that. The controller here didn't sound overwhelmed and said "we" at one point so I'm pretty sure that's what was happening.
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Old 07-02-2021, 10:43 PM
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If you have to ditch, doing so 2.5 miles from the 24/7 alert Coast Guard MH-65C that will pick you up is a decent choice.
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