Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3258634)

Could have been dual failure due to an issue which affected both motors... that would be significant but also pretty darn rare. Birds (Sully) or something like that BA triple at LHR.

Could also be that the "good" motor was tired and they inadvertently cooked it when they added thrust to compensate for the first failure. The timeline hints at that possibility.

I just don't think they could have run out of gas that quickly. Although an RJ a few years back managed to TO with just enough gas to get to the flight levels. They caught barely in time, diverted, landed and may have flamed out on the taxi in.

Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 3258727)

Speculation only and posted elsewhere—DEF contaminated jet fuel.

Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 3258727)

Speculation only and posted elsewhere—DEF contaminated jet fuel.

Originally Posted by RI830 (Post 3258806)

Absolutely a possibility…..could have been fueled with 100LL to.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3258832)

There's been a rash of that lately, but at HNL? Big 121 airports normally have a centralized fuel co-op... all the Jet A comes from the same tanks and trucks. Any diesel (for ground vehicles) will kept very, very segregated.

I think DEF is more of a GA issue.




Also probably not happening at HNL. Also hard to mistake a 737 for a bonanza.

Originally Posted by RI830 (Post 3258856)

Large airports do have centralized Jet A when your park at the terminals or well developed cargo ramps.
They may not park at one and there for fuel via trucks.

Ever heard of filling a fuel truck with the wrong fuel?
Its happened before.

Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 3258727)

Speculation only and posted elsewhere—DEF contaminated jet fuel.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3258924)

The trucks at big airports are also part of the central system, same fuel, same SOP. Airlines ensure their fuel system has better standards then the one at the GA FBO.


Unless you hired an off airport service, which would need an access agreement, and pay taxes and fees.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3258703)

For something like this, commercial divers would use mixed gas. You could get about 10 minutes no-D with mixed gas... using professional tables. So still probably going to be a surface-supplied op.

I don't think you'd catch me going to 150' on air and coming back up without a stop... even though the mil tables probably say you can, barely.

Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 3258937)

Having burned Jet in about 70 countries, from rickety Russian trucks with fueler smoking to hydrants in Asia and in the Congo; I’d like see evidence fuel is segregated for airline use vs. GA use. The cargo ramp at HNL is next to the FBOscand I’ve seen the same trucks used on both ramps, depending on the contract. Signature and Castle & Cook are right next door to each other and the cargo ramp.