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Old 07-04-2021, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by captjns View Post
Was the incident aircraft, due to COVID, parked for an extended period of time? When was the last time the tanks were dumped?
No, those planes are flying every night except for maybe Saturday night. Interisland Cargo has never been busier (much like the rest of the cargo world).
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Old 07-04-2021, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by captjns View Post
Was the incident aircraft, due to COVID, parked for an extended period of time? When was the last time the tanks were dumped?
The plane flew over 200 flights leading up to the final one and, according to flight aware, it’s been flying pretty consistently.
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Old 07-04-2021, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Everybody on a big 121 field normally gets their jet A from the co-op. That normally includes the high end FBOs. You'd have to go to a lot of trouble to arrange outside jet A, and it would probably cost more due to not having storage facilities on site, plus the access fees.

That's how big airports generally work, no law says HNL has to do it they way but why would they not?

If they didn't launch from a major 121 field, sure it might be plausible... but there's a reason that kind of thing doesn't happen to pax airlines.
I take your point and I’m sure the Jet A is distributed exactly that way at PHNL. But, if truck refueled instead of hydrant, the truck at an FBO or other service provider very likely has a Prist tank for small jets/turboprops requiring it. It only takes a small error in the dark perhaps, of putting DEF into the Prist tank or selecting Prist by a late night, tired refueled who defaults out of repetition to selecting Prist on uplift. I’ve seen it down even when specifying “no Prist”.

Is it long shot? Of course, but dual engine failures usually are fuel related even in old 732s. I have a hard believing both engines just quit right after take-off in a well-used jet. Wasn’t ice in the fuel, for sure. The PF might have firewalled the good one, but JT-8s are pretty tough and won’t die in a minute or two of abuse.
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Old 07-04-2021, 03:20 PM
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I took jet A from the same vendor there, the night before, and the next night. Possibly contaminated fuel....but it didn't show up in our equipment.

As for avgas in jet fuel, it's not nearly the problem for turbine equipment that jet fuel in avgas is, for piston engines. Turbine engines will burn the avgas. Piston engines will detonate with the kerosine.
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Old 07-04-2021, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
How many pax planes out there still run JT8’s?
In places that we vaguely care about?
LASER operates Mad Dogs
Avior operates the -200 as well
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Old 07-04-2021, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
How many pax planes out there still run JT8’s?
In places that we vaguely care about?
Not Px in Alaska, but JT8Ds still run every day on the MD80/DC-9 cargo fleet. Like anything else, do proper maintenance and take care of them and they'll take care of you. Great engine.
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Old 07-05-2021, 09:51 AM
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Local news article reports that both pilots have been released from the hospital. Transair has “temporarily stopped” it’s 737 operation. FAA and NTSB are surveying the wreckage to determine how to proceed with the investigation.
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Originally Posted by Hawaii808 View Post
Local news article reports that both pilots have been released from the hospital.
That is some good news. It seems to me, you have to be lucky AND good to pull of an ocean landing at night.
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Originally Posted by Hawaii808 View Post
Local news article reports……….
Hope the HNL local news is better than the sfo hacks are.
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:48 AM
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Out of curiosity regarding the avgas argument. Do they overwing fuel transair’s birds? If not, there’s not many operations I know that use single point refueling with avgas.
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