William Shatner's Crewmate killed in crash
11-15-2021, 07:40 PM
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11-16-2021, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by njxyz
No passive aggressiveness here: you sound like a cancer in the cockpit. Neither pilot in this crash was new to flying. The right seat was occupied by a CFI/owner/operator of a local flight school who had decades of experience. I didn't know them personally but know several people who did, and they're all mourning the loss of two good people. The aviation community is small and tight nit. People express their sadness because they, unlike you, feel for the deceased's families and friends. RIP.
I held off on the expletives I initially wanted to use. I'll just suggest that when you don't have something nice to say about pilots who lost their lives, then don't say anything.
I held off on the expletives I initially wanted to use. I'll just suggest that when you don't have something nice to say about pilots who lost their lives, then don't say anything.
11-17-2021, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by AirBear
I think ironic is the correct word for this. The rocket is a lot more dramatic but probably just as safe as single engine flying.
I flew for 3 large companies after the military. With each of those we had one or two professional pilots per year kill themselves with a light twin or single piston aircraft.
Still that Cessna 172 flight was statistically safer than driving. I just hope the cause was something other than a stupid pilot trick.
I flew for 3 large companies after the military. With each of those we had one or two professional pilots per year kill themselves with a light twin or single piston aircraft.
Still that Cessna 172 flight was statistically safer than driving. I just hope the cause was something other than a stupid pilot trick.
11-17-2021, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Roverruckus
Nope, single-engine GA is way more dangerous than driving. It's about as statistically equivalent as riding a motorcycle.
But just like with motorcycles, the risk is widely variable depending on equipment, mission, and operator attitude/diligence.
11-17-2021, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yes, this is correct.
But just like with motorcycles, the risk is widely variable depending on equipment, mission, and operator attitude/diligence.
But just like with motorcycles, the risk is widely variable depending on equipment, mission, and operator attitude/diligence.
Dan Gryder has a new video out, I'll link it from where he starts talking about this 172SP accident. He best guess right now is electrical fire. That's based off the ADS-B cutting out well before it should have as if someone turned off the master switch.
https://youtu.be/ZrkkA2pX83A?list=TL...cYxoGvzg&t=444
11-17-2021, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by AirBear
Dan Gryder has a new video out, I'll link it from where he starts talking about this 172SP accident. He best guess right now is electrical fire. That's based off the ADS-B cutting out well before it should have as if someone turned off the master switch.
https://youtu.be/ZrkkA2pX83A?list=TL...cYxoGvzg&t=444
https://youtu.be/ZrkkA2pX83A?list=TL...cYxoGvzg&t=444
It would take a whole lot of fire & smoke to crash a 172 so fast that it couldn't get down from 6000'.
Occam's razor says spin during stall practice (or maybe intentional spin) that was allowed to go a little too far, maybe aggravated by CG.
11-18-2021, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I'm not convinced that ADS-B out is quite as reliable as Dan thinks... especially if the airplane was in a spin. If the airplane's spinning, so are the antennas.
It would take a whole lot of fire & smoke to crash a 172 so fast that it couldn't get down from 6000'.
Occam's razor says spin during stall practice (or maybe intentional spin) that was allowed to go a little too far, maybe aggravated by CG.
It would take a whole lot of fire & smoke to crash a 172 so fast that it couldn't get down from 6000'.
Occam's razor says spin during stall practice (or maybe intentional spin) that was allowed to go a little too far, maybe aggravated by CG.
11-19-2021, 02:00 AM
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Rather CO then CO2 but you knew that.
Reason I’m thinking that MX was not an issue is that it was a flightschool (141?) airplane flown by the founder/owner of the company.
I’m sure he was on top of their maintenance.
Stall/spin out of the Utility envelope seems more likely.
If they were flying on autopilot maybe they had and electric trim runaway that led to a stall.
The SP requires a lot of strength to maintain straight and level with a full nose up trim.
Reason I’m thinking that MX was not an issue is that it was a flightschool (141?) airplane flown by the founder/owner of the company.
I’m sure he was on top of their maintenance.
Stall/spin out of the Utility envelope seems more likely.
If they were flying on autopilot maybe they had and electric trim runaway that led to a stall.
The SP requires a lot of strength to maintain straight and level with a full nose up trim.
11-19-2021, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The airplane just came back from a annual inspection. I am betting CO2 from exhaust not properly installed, bolt or cotter key not properly installed in flight controls or a tool jamming controls.
I also think CO is less likely with two qualified pilots on board... physiology varies by individual. Odds are good that one would suffer the effects faster than the other, allowing the more functional pilot to deal with the issue. It's not hard, turn off the heat and open the window.
The flight track and location implies they went to a practice area to do maneuvers.
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