William Shatner's Crewmate killed in crash
11-12-2021, 05:54 PM
#1
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: Retired NJA & AA
Posts: 1,916
William Shatner's Crewmate killed in crash
https://www.today.com/news/william-s...crash-rcna5491
Glen de Vries who flew with William Shatner into low Earth orbit was killed in a Cessna 172 crash. The plane went missing near Kemah Lake, about 50 miles NW of Newark.
Glen de Vries who flew with William Shatner into low Earth orbit was killed in a Cessna 172 crash. The plane went missing near Kemah Lake, about 50 miles NW of Newark.
11-12-2021, 07:57 PM
#4
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: Retired NJA & AA
Posts: 1,916
Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
That's horrible!
The guy goes to space and then 2 weeks later gets killed in a Skyhawk?! :-(
The guy goes to space and then 2 weeks later gets killed in a Skyhawk?! :-(
11-13-2021, 05:44 AM
#5
Disinterested Third Party
Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,017
Perhaps that's the problem in general: pilots who are complacent enough to see any flight as "routine."
The difference between one killed in the space shuttle, and one killed in a J-3 cub? We like to laugh and say that the J-3 just kills one more slowly, but in the end, both are equally dead.
The difference between one killed in the space shuttle, and one killed in a J-3 cub? We like to laugh and say that the J-3 just kills one more slowly, but in the end, both are equally dead.
11-13-2021, 09:42 AM
#6
All is fine at .79
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Position: Paahlot
Posts: 4,082
Originally Posted by AirBear
That's what I was thinking. Get the dangerous thing done with no problem then get killed on a routine GA flight.
And personally I think it’s more ironic then sad.
If it turns out to be continued VFR into IMC or CFIT or stall/spin or gross pilot error is it still sad?
This immediate sad or God bless or Even worse ‘Prayers sent’ is so virtue signaling social media-ish.
Yes, I’m a nice guy to fly with before we get that passive aggressive comment.
11-13-2021, 10:48 AM
#7
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: Retired NJA & AA
Posts: 1,916
I think ironic is the correct word for this. The rocket is a lot more dramatic but probably just as safe as single engine flying.
I flew for 3 large companies after the military. With each of those we had one or two professional pilots per year kill themselves with a light twin or single piston aircraft.
Still that Cessna 172 flight was statistically safer than driving. I just hope the cause was something other than a stupid pilot trick.
I flew for 3 large companies after the military. With each of those we had one or two professional pilots per year kill themselves with a light twin or single piston aircraft.
Still that Cessna 172 flight was statistically safer than driving. I just hope the cause was something other than a stupid pilot trick.
11-13-2021, 12:31 PM
#8
New Hire
Joined APC: Aug 2021
Posts: 5
Originally Posted by TiredSoul
What’s routine about flying a single engine single system, single pilot(?) single everything with no backup systems vs a completely automated pilotless billion dollar rocket.
And personally I think it’s more ironic then sad.
If it turns out to be continued VFR into IMC or CFIT or stall/spin or gross pilot error is it still sad?
This immediate sad or God bless or Even worse ‘Prayers sent’ is so virtue signaling social media-ish.
Yes, I’m a nice guy to fly with before we get that passive aggressive comment.
And personally I think it’s more ironic then sad.
If it turns out to be continued VFR into IMC or CFIT or stall/spin or gross pilot error is it still sad?
This immediate sad or God bless or Even worse ‘Prayers sent’ is so virtue signaling social media-ish.
Yes, I’m a nice guy to fly with before we get that passive aggressive comment.
I held off on the expletives I initially wanted to use. I'll just suggest that when you don't have something nice to say about pilots who lost their lives, then don't say anything.
11-13-2021, 02:32 PM
#9
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,273
The flight track shows a normal flight to a practice area where it appears they may have practiced a stall. There was no recovery. The aircraft had just completed a annual inspection. I suspect the FAA will be very interested in that inspection.
I have no idea if it is related to this accident however i have noted in both light aircraft maintenance and in the 121 world there appears to be zero tool control. I have found a lot of tools on preflight inspections.
I have no idea if it is related to this accident however i have noted in both light aircraft maintenance and in the 121 world there appears to be zero tool control. I have found a lot of tools on preflight inspections.
11-13-2021, 03:57 PM
#10
All is fine at .79
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Position: Paahlot
Posts: 4,082
Depending on which model Cessna they may have been way out of the Utility envelope to spin. If my memory serves me correctly with two adults in a C172SP you could only carry 10 gallons of fuel to be in Utility.
Also SP’s are more aggressive then older models. Twice I’ve been upside down as a result of a botched stall in an SP.
New airplanes too.
Also SP’s are more aggressive then older models. Twice I’ve been upside down as a result of a botched stall in an SP.
New airplanes too.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
